You think people use downvoting to change a person’s mind? I always felt it was mostly to express disapproval or disagreement.
In this case, I think it’s shallow/selfish thinking that leads people to not vote or throw their vote away with a third party vote just so they can smugly say "don’t blame me, I didn’t vote for Harris/Trump 😏" like it’s the most clever thing ever.
As a POC, I can’t help but shake at folks like this because it’s like they’d rather play these little games when shit gets real rather than ya know, getting real.
I think it’s shallow/selfish thinking that leads people to not vote or throw their vote away with a third party vote just so they can smugly say "don’t blame me, I didn’t vote for Harris/Trump 😏
You’re welcome to think that, How can I throw a vote away that has literally no impact on the presidential election? I’m not in a swing state and I still vote downballot- what’s even more annoying is it’s so non-competitive many of the state level democrats are just low-key republicans running as democrats. The result is yet another non-choice of an election.
I am 100% voting for Kamala in a deep blue state. But, I wanted to point out that it’s not the popular vote that matters, unfortunately, thanks to the electoral college.
lemmy.ml in particular is quite bad. lemmy.world is a little less bad but still has some annoyances. Most of the other ones are fine.
Of course you can participate in communities anywhere from any server; about the only thing that will impact you is reputational impacts and maybe the occasional instance block or admin fuckery. I have heard rumors of admin fuckery on lemmy.ml (moderation actions and then editing the modlog to make it look like it didn’t happen), but IDK whether that is accurate.
Well none of the people here are from corporate -owned sites since we’re all on Lemmy. Your world view aligns perfectly with authoritarian-right. That’s why you get so much pushback.
I’m really not a fan and it’s embarrassing every time Russia does some cringe culture war shit. America won the cold war so it’s what we’re stuck with, sadly
You don’t have to stop, but you’re also politically irrelevant. I’d get tired of that myself. I did. That’s why I stopped throwing my vote away on third party. But you do you. I really don’t care since you’re a non-participant.
Look, where you can actually achieve things is in the Democratic primaries. Find the furthest left person you can and try to make them the candidate. Move the party left. Get your brand of politician onto the ballot on one of the teams that can win. Replicate that across the country and I guess the Democrats become communists, though I can’t imagine things flipping that far. You still have to deal with swing states that will be much harder to get communist candidates elected even in a major party.
That’s the only realistic way to accomplish your goal without either waiting for one party to commit suicide or futilely taking up arms to try to replace the whole system of government.
That’s not even my political persuasion, but look I’ll be long dead before that ever happens so more power to you. We’ve swung way too far right and I’ll work with anyone to swing it back the other way.
I have plenty of critiques of PSL running primarily national election campaigns, the whole national level election just seems like a resource sink. I guess if they get to a certain percent they get federal money for it.
The problem is a lot of local politics are already very much on lockdown by realtor/home construction/lawyer types. They will often get unquestionably voted in by homeowners, simply by evoking the fear of housing prices going down, or taxes going up. Homeowners are often vastly over-represented in terms of voter participation, due to structural disenfranchisement of poor people.
Most people who you could organize in a given municipality who aren’t homeowners will be under constant economic pressure to follow work or new housing, leading to a lot of churn - and often leading to people just getting unenrolled because they didn’t update their address when they changed landlords.
(Honestly this is why I prefer to just work on non-election stuff with my time)
I mean people also say you’ll grow up from being a liberal so lol. I presume it has a lot to do with why you have a particular political position and if you’ve actually thought it out at all.
I’m voting PSL because my vote has no impact on the election anyways
Lol all the neckbeards downvoting you as if that has any effect on you to change your mind.
You think people use downvoting to change a person’s mind? I always felt it was mostly to express disapproval or disagreement.
In this case, I think it’s shallow/selfish thinking that leads people to not vote or throw their vote away with a third party vote just so they can smugly say "don’t blame me, I didn’t vote for Harris/Trump 😏" like it’s the most clever thing ever.
As a POC, I can’t help but shake at folks like this because it’s like they’d rather play these little games when shit gets real rather than ya know, getting real.
You’re welcome to think that, How can I throw a vote away that has literally no impact on the presidential election? I’m not in a swing state and I still vote downballot- what’s even more annoying is it’s so non-competitive many of the state level democrats are just low-key republicans running as democrats. The result is yet another non-choice of an election.
I only downvote when something is too stupid and pointless to comment on. I don’t do it very often, but here we are.
excuse me for participating in our electoral system
Or they just try to send a message to onlookers. Voting for non-right-wing presidents isn’t acceptable here.
I read somewhere that Biden beat Trump by 40K votes. In a country of over 300 MILLION people that’s a razor thin margin.
Your vote counts!
I also read this sobering fact recently: People in Germany that didn’t think they had to vote in 1932, didn’t get another chance to vote until 1946.
There’s no popular vote, my state is solidly blue, why on earth shouldn’t I vote for people I agree with?
I know you’ve been getting downvotes but just wanted to say thank you for voting PSL!
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I am 100% voting for Kamala in a deep blue state. But, I wanted to point out that it’s not the popular vote that matters, unfortunately, thanks to the electoral college.
lemmy.ml
It’s like walking around with a tattoo on your forehead that says “I’M A FUCKING IDIOT”
oh no I’m using instance that makes nerds seethe whatever will I do
Why do people say that? I just picked a server to join because I thought it didn’t matter. Are servers really that cliquey?
Yes, they are really cliquey & tbh it’s kinda sad. So much for tryna foster community or engage with other communities to learn something new.
lemmy.ml in particular is quite bad. lemmy.world is a little less bad but still has some annoyances. Most of the other ones are fine.
Of course you can participate in communities anywhere from any server; about the only thing that will impact you is reputational impacts and maybe the occasional instance block or admin fuckery. I have heard rumors of admin fuckery on lemmy.ml (moderation actions and then editing the modlog to make it look like it didn’t happen), but IDK whether that is accurate.
It’s mostly people who are used to leftists getting banned off their corporate-owned media sites being shocked at an alternative opinion
Well none of the people here are from corporate -owned sites since we’re all on Lemmy. Your world view aligns perfectly with authoritarian-right. That’s why you get so much pushback.
lmao your powers of perception need work
Seems pretty spot on. What’s your view on Putin?
I’m really not a fan and it’s embarrassing every time Russia does some cringe culture war shit. America won the cold war so it’s what we’re stuck with, sadly
Very
Eventually they will grow up and learn, if they ever get tired of being angry and irrelevant.
I’ve been getting told I’m going to grow out of being a communist for over 2 decades now. Any day now I guess
You don’t have to stop, but you’re also politically irrelevant. I’d get tired of that myself. I did. That’s why I stopped throwing my vote away on third party. But you do you. I really don’t care since you’re a non-participant.
I’m already politically irrelevant, how is changing my vote going to make it suddenly matter in a non-swing state
Look, where you can actually achieve things is in the Democratic primaries. Find the furthest left person you can and try to make them the candidate. Move the party left. Get your brand of politician onto the ballot on one of the teams that can win. Replicate that across the country and I guess the Democrats become communists, though I can’t imagine things flipping that far. You still have to deal with swing states that will be much harder to get communist candidates elected even in a major party.
That’s the only realistic way to accomplish your goal without either waiting for one party to commit suicide or futilely taking up arms to try to replace the whole system of government.
That’s not even my political persuasion, but look I’ll be long dead before that ever happens so more power to you. We’ve swung way too far right and I’ll work with anyone to swing it back the other way.
I have plenty of critiques of PSL running primarily national election campaigns, the whole national level election just seems like a resource sink. I guess if they get to a certain percent they get federal money for it.
The problem is a lot of local politics are already very much on lockdown by realtor/home construction/lawyer types. They will often get unquestionably voted in by homeowners, simply by evoking the fear of housing prices going down, or taxes going up. Homeowners are often vastly over-represented in terms of voter participation, due to structural disenfranchisement of poor people.
Most people who you could organize in a given municipality who aren’t homeowners will be under constant economic pressure to follow work or new housing, leading to a lot of churn - and often leading to people just getting unenrolled because they didn’t update their address when they changed landlords.
(Honestly this is why I prefer to just work on non-election stuff with my time)
Communism will never come to the USA. You should probably have realized that by now.
I mean people also say you’ll grow up from being a liberal so lol. I presume it has a lot to do with why you have a particular political position and if you’ve actually thought it out at all.
I feel the same way reading a lot of lemmy.world users content