• Habahnow@sh.itjust.works
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    3 months ago

    right… more like that first line is: Genocide bad so don’t vote for democrats.
    Many left voters agree genocide is bad, we can vote for Democrats while also protesting and reaching out to our reps to stop the genocide.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOPM
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      3 months ago

      That’s like saying oh yeah my friend is a serial killer, but at least he doesn’t beat his family. Besides, I will tell him how upset I am about all the murdering he’s doing next time we go out for beers.

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        3 months ago

        We have a choice between one person publicly calling for a ceasefire and another who says Israel needs to finish the job.

        I’m not sure what you want us to do here.

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          They want you to not vote or vote for a 3rd party. Don’t y’all get that yet? It’s about getting Trump reelected and bashing liberals in the guise of being leftist

          Or you could “organize” or “educate yourself” or maybe “start a community” and like that’ll fix everything

          Don’t forget you can do some random kind of “direct action” too.

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            I could attend every Free Palestine protest, boycott every Israel-affiliated company, volunteer at human-rights organizations, raise money for Palestinian relief, write a book about the genocide of the Palestinian people at the hands of Israel, and cast a vote for Harris rather than Trump, and you would still say I support genocide.

            While doing what you would probably rather me do, all those things except not cast a vote at all, would be actively helping the opposition, who not only wants Israel to “finish the job,” but also moved the American embassy to Jerusalem, officially recognized Israeli settlements as legal, and has said he wants to deport communists and Free Palestine protesters.

            So at the end of the day, yeah I’m gonna vote for Harris. Am I happy with the Democratic party? Of fucking course not, but I don’t really have a choice in the matter.

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              I could attend every Free Palestine protest, boycott every Israel-affiliated company, volunteer at human-rights organizations, raise money for Palestinian relief, write a book about the genocide of the Palestinian people at the hands of Israel, and cast a vote for Harris rather than Trump, and you would still say I support genocide.

              Any list that contains X contains X. You’re giving material support to a political faction that’s carrying out genocide. The political analogy isn’t voting for Hindenburg, it’s reelecting Hitler in 1944.

              What I want you to do is recognize that there are no solutions within the existing political order and that is not an excuse.

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          3 months ago

          They want us to magically fix all the problems overnight, while blaming us for everything in the meantime.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOPM
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          Ah yes, the person publicly calling for ceasefire while sending the weapons needed to conduct genocide. What’s more liberal than being unable to connect rhetoric to tangible action.

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        No offense, but that’s really goddamn stupid. Do you understand that voting is an exercise in constrained optimization.

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          The psychotic take is saying, sure the party I’m going to vote for is committing crimes against humanity, but at least they’re might be less repressive at home.

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            Oh you don’t feel superior enough yet? Maybe you should be even more reductive. I think your throne might be too far up to see that us peons actually have to do something instead of just cry on the internet and then feel smug about it.

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      If they ignore you and you keep voting for them, what’s their motivation to take you seriously? The only leverage the average voter has is their vote. If they know that they can count on your vote no matter what they do, then they don’t have to listen to you.

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        You’re right, we should vote for Trump who put the embassy in Israel and wants Israel to finish up the genocide quickly. 4d chess move, there can’t be a genocide if the people are genocided quickly.

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          That’s literally exactly how voting works. You can’t put an asterisk on your vote. An exuberant, wholehearted vote counts exactly the same as one where you feel dirty for a week after.

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      And the reps will ignore you because what are you going to do, not vote for them? You already telegraphed that you will vote for them anyways.

      In the party database, you show up as: Last Name, First Name, likely voter, donor yes/no. Literally, this is how much they think about you.

      PS I thought genocide was an unconscionable, intolerable crime that required your specific action to ensure it “never again” happens. Now it’s just “bad”, like high housing costs? Do you see how your own soul is distorted by this naive partisanship?