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As a side point, what the hell is wrong with Snapchat’s UI? It’s a mess of buttons arranged by a monkey on cocaine. How is this shit popular?
I spent most of my programming career working for small companies and doing almost everything myself (including collecting requirements, design etc.) but the last few years I spent with an enormous tech company working on apps with teams of professional designers and UI/UX experts (I’ve avoided the scare quotes around these terms, with difficulty). The designers always designed on paper, and violently rejected any suggestion that their designs be put in front of focus groups of actual users and modified according to feedback. “Users have no idea what they want” was an actual, frequent quote from them. As a user who does know what he wants and rarely gets it from modern mobile apps, I found this attitude a bit surprising. Not surprisingly, our apps usually averaged barely above one star (thanks to corporate instructions to employees to vote our apps up), with many comments along the lines of “only voted one star because you can’t vote zero stars”.
“Users have no idea what they want” was an actual, frequent quote from them.
It’s because they’re not designing for the users’ wants, they’re designing for the users’ engagement (or whatever flawed metric they use to determine that). The designers mindlessly equate what keeps the user engaged with what the user wants.
Kids
Voyager app users
Can you explain this? I’m a very stupid person.
Voyager is a Lemmy client.
Voyager started off as a website(wefwef.app) but is now also an app
website
.app
🤔
They have played us for absolute fools!
Anybody who wants to offer me an open source app that doesn’t spy on me is totally fine, especially when the app kicks ass.
- sent from Voyager
So I bought a new mouse, of course it came with RGB nonsense. Before purchasing I checked it could be disabled.
Software to control RGB? 300MB. Who knows what the hell else that’ll be doing.
Plugged it into my Linux laptop, download OpenRGB, 1.7MB application that supports more than just this brand. Turn off the rgb, click save to device.
Same energy - whole different thing. I remember in 2005 having to install a special printer software. You can install the drivers, but to understand error messages, you needed “the suite”.
So furious at the ordeal, I hoped that the future, we don’t have to deal with this.
Apparently the future hates us and we are STILL dealing with this
there is an alternate universe out there where every shitty social media website has good rss services and doesn’t degrade you for not using the app
(honestly i think tim cook wrecked the company, he’s a pure bloodless businessman, thinking only about numbers and value extraction versus innovation and changing the world, which jobs, for all his faults, objectively did)
Both capitalist pigs
This was a choice by Steve Jobs for how it is now. This was also the time they were trying to push HTML5 as the future as removing dependency on specialty software. If mostly everything was only needing a website, then it didn’t matter what OS you were using. This would help allow iOS and OSX (at the time) be fully compatible against Blackberry and Windows Vista. But then Android got popular and Windows 7 was a major improvement, Linux was growing as well (netbooks, before MS tried to push into that market). Suddenly their push of any device would be on equal footing was not in their favor, so Apple pushed HARD on “There’s an app for that” to start the hard lock in of iOS leading to where things are today.
I miss the old days where a macbook came with a bunch of creative apps that kids in the 60s-90s dreamed of.
That innovative creative freedom train is long gone from that company
Bro, my city just made an app it has a news button, a quick link to city code compliance and a quick form for reporting illegal fireworks. City is depreciating email newsletter and website for app and facebook. and I hate so many places advertising decent deals behind apps. I am not downloading an app for every fastfood chain and grocery store. Stopped going to del taco, mcd and Wendy’s over shitty apps.
I always thought these were at least 50% ironic. Please don’t tell me you don’t actually want websites OP.
I unironically do. I don’t use apps for almost anything.
Yeah. I refuse to use my gym app, cause unnecessary, but there’s plenty of usecases where apps provide useful, specific efficiencies, not to mention the aesthetic improvements, and the ability to create and curate interaction.
Given a malware free world, apps can be cool.
Bro most apps are unnecessary af!
If it ain’t on F-Droid, chances are I ain’t usin’ it.
I think there are a grand total of 4 non-free apps installed on my phone right now. 2 are for smart home crap I don’t want to live without right now, and 2 are Google services I haven’t pried myself away from yet.
Is here a joke here? All I see is truth.
TFW someone makes a desktop app but it’s literally just a bundled chrome browser page
But also, MFW somebody turns a perfectly usable desktop application into an internal website that ends up only working on one browser…
Lychee, a slicer software for 3D printing, immediately comes to mind. It’s a fucking electron app. It also only works if you login to a fucking account, even the free version, because fuck you. Oh, and free users have to sit through 30 seconds of advertising whenever they click “Slice”, because fuck you again
There was a website for a while that could emulate PS1 games in a browser on your phone.
That told me that there is absolutely no reason to have everything be an app. Even games
Controversial opinion. I love apps.
(Only because in my company, we created a app team to hire more developers and while our website absolutely doubles as a really fucking good web app, we hinder it in order to keep our app developer homies employed.)
im convinced 99% of app development is just for enhanced tracking and telemetry. Most are a browser in app anyway
I used to work for a very large cable company. All of our apps were championed by VPs who had strong personal connections to InfoSys, who got most of the contract work to create and maintain them. Almost nobody actually used the apps - the developers used various tricks to enormously inflate the apparent numbers of users. So essentially they were a mechanism for one large corporation to siphon millions of dollars from another large corporation. My life became a lot happier when I finally realized this and stopped giving a shit about anything.
this unironically
An app for a fucking cemetary!? Nuh-uh
That’s how you get a haunted phone
I hear it’s dead now anyway.
Laurel Hill is a historical cemetery with a few historical figures buried there. Actually, I think Adrian Balboa’s fictional grave is there, too. The app has audio tours and information about the architecture and stuff.
But I don’t want a app to get audio tours.
I want a app to make their body spin 360 degrees. 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
could still be a website.
Probably, but making it an app allows users to pre-download the whole thing beforehand so they don’t need to depend on cell data when they’re out in a field.
but I… it… it’s a PDF, its stored on my phone. I downloaded it. I actually still have it, if I need to prove I was on the train. its not in the app anymore, but I still have it here.
you know you can’t make a PURCHASE on an app without network access, right? like, it has to interact with your bank and generate the code (and that’s done on their server, so you can’t make yourself free tickets) and update “this ticket is valid” in the system. the app is literally just a web site with fewer features. all the important math happens on the server. usually, not even a timetable is stored locally, and it still has to be retrieved from the network, it doesn’t even cache, I bet. I could check, but I would have to find my phone.
I think you replied to the wrong person?
download the whole thing
all the functional parts are server calls, app or website. all of them. buying a ticket involves authenticating with both the owner’s server and my bank. that’s a network thing. can’t download my ticket til I do that, site or app. even looking at a timetable (i dont see where in the app I can do that? but point to point trips) on the app doesn’t work when im in airplane mode, but I know for a fact my browser caches, and if I’ve looked recently or left the page open, it will still be there when I come back.
there’s no advantage of an app, unless you’re doing fancy graphics shit, which eats battery like a mother fucker and makes low end devices much more unhappy.
You can just download the HTML files
Hahaha
My most boomer opinion
Please pair this with: Stop forcing me to make an account for your useless fucking service. It’s a pain in the ass and only serves your corpo tracking while I get nothing in return
okay, that’s why you want it, but, like, why should they care?
if you’re not willing to do violence; why should they care?
That escalated quickly.
no, it took a few hundred years/all of recorded history.
I agree it’s annoying, but I’ve been using temp-mail for accounts I’ll only ever use once and mysudo for accounts I’ll need longer and it’s been working well. Except ticketmaster doesn’t accept voip numbers for your phone.
This is why I only use Instagram through Firefox on my phone. A) Meta software ain’t getting installed on my device. 2) The Instagram app fucking melts iPhones.
I’ve learned the Facebook app actually causes a lot of battery drain. And those who uninstalled it suddenly found their phones lasting twice as long.
I wouldnt know as a non FB user.
Oh it melts Androids as well. It’s just full of tacked on garbage that wasn’t in the original.
