Thousand plus years.
I don’t know exactly when sneaky catholic scribes changed up the wording to make being gay bad except when they’re being gay with children. But it’s definitely their doing.
Catholics did not write the scripture that says being gay is bad; that’s from the Torah - the Old Testament. Christianity came after Judaism and believes in both the old and new testaments.
You could look up the exact text for it easily. It’s basically “he who lies with a man as with a woman…” and something about him being an abomination and should be put to death or something like that.
Pretty sure there isn’t a single Catholic among them that would tell you such actions weren’t sinning…
Totally. You think they parade around at NAMBLA marches or something?
They would if they were honest.
But don’t worry. Catholics don’t have a monopoly on child abuse. Evangelical youth pastors are gunning for the crown. (They’ll never get close. But they’re trying)
Who cares if it’s a sin if you can confess and wipe the state clean or get an indulgence beforehand. And everybody sins, so don’t cast the first stone, etc etc. They’ll come up with some way to excuse, sweep under the rug, whatever.
I can only speak for my lifetime and that of my parents, but in my country the church has been revealed to be a child trafficking, child abusing, money laundering, woman enslaving organisation. It has a veneer of pseudo-wholesomeness.
It’s important to recognise that while people rightly expose the church for this, they usually operate with the assistance of the local communities. In Ireland people in the community would report woman who were “impure” in some way, which the church could justify for enslaving them and selling their children if those women gave birth. This is all within the last several decades and I’m sure even before then.
That’s not just your country. That’s organized religion in every country.
I think that’s generally accepted. I wanted to qualify what I’m saying a bit more by mentioning the lived experience here and the complicity of wider society.
Here in Germany it has been revealed that the church set up a whole network shuffling around offenders (or sending them away to south america) and muddling traces. It’s even been shown that the former pope knew about such cases. It’s systemic.
Basically it’s a combination of supposed moral authority, intransparency, and mutual cover ups. People are willing to look the other way a lot when they perceive of someone as having a higher mission or great social standing. That includes law enforcement. Think of Donald Trump who’s a fraudster-racist-rapist-insurrectionist and yet the MAGA crowd loves him. Maybe celibacy plays into it as well, sexual urges don’t stop just because you don a robe.
Younger people are less and less religious with each generation. So at least from that angle the problem might eventually go away.
I don’t understand how the organization doesn’t collapse. It shows how, like so many things in society, people are inhuman scum, that they keep oppressive systems and organizations alive despite mountains of evidence of its harmfulness.
We found out about it because those people are still alive. The Catholic church has been at this for centuries
Hundreds and hundreds of years.
Appropriate username
Some might argue that’s the point of the church.
As someone who is stationed close to a catholic church should i be weary?
I think we’re all a little bit weary to be honest with you.
You’re too old for them.
You should not give them your kids
Ive honestly thought that there is a distinct possiblity that hundreds of years ago the church was the unspoken way to dispose of your children who had no interest in breeding and furthering the family line. They are your kids, and you love them but if they arent carrying their weight in the family…
So off to the dark building full of shadowy alcoves, loose fitting clothing and lots of secrecy full of other men “cut of a similar cloth”.
There was a pretty good episode of Always Sunny where Mac wants to become a priest because he is trying to hide him being gay. Their priest that is trying to convince Mac to join turns out to be a pedophile.
Been going on for thousands of years. The more information access we have the more we hear about these kinds of things.
I mean you give people authority over kids and then teach them to hate the sexual part of their personality, and something’s gonna go wrong, probably way more often than it goes right.
I haven’t done any real reading on it yet, this is just a really common sense starting hypothesis. So don’t take it for more than that. But that’s my guess.
Well, priests aren’t supposed to get married or have kids. I guess they found a loophole to “still get into heaven”, or something. Who knows. It’s all fucked up.
Ask here to get bandwagon responses and memes. If you really want an actual answer, go look up the Wikipedia article on the topic at the very least.
Records from the 11th century but almost certainly longer.
Been happening for a long time. It’s also not just Catholic church. All religions are guilty of some sick shit. ALL OF THEM!
I thought this was far less common between protestants whose priests can actually have a family, but I rarely get any “protestant news” given that i live in a catholic country
Erasmus put this in his 1514 dialogue “Julius Excluded From Heaven” (Julius II is being examined by St Peter at the gates):
PETER: […] hope it won’t be too tiresome for you to answer a few clumsy questions about the details. Who, for example, are these little curly-headed striplings?
JULIUS: I brought them up for my diversion.
Just the latest offenders, but please look at the size of this database: https://www.bishop-accountability.org/accused/
A common way of manipulating people is to deny them parts of being human. Be wary of any organization that tries to control your food or sex. Fasting and abstinence are massive red flags that the organization is toxic.
Kind of given considering the nature of the job. I heard a radio show where they talked about this with someone in the church who explained that the church offers forgiveness for sins to people who are willing to commit to God. I don’t think to many pedophiles want to be attracted to kids and see themselves as evil. It’s around the same age that the priesthood is calling that young guys start to realize these attractions. The church is a place for these people to go celabete and purge themselves of their evil but reality is the church can’t do that. Instead their ranks fill with these pedophiles same as it gets filled with our types of people who see themselves as sinners; ex drug users and wall street bankers. The whole radio show made me feel like the church could be a victim in all this as well. But then they fuck up by hiding these people and shuffling them around instead of bringing them to justice.
Well you have nearly the complete story. Church is about control: if you help someone hide his crimes, they have acess to repeated rape and you have control over them because you can always expose them. It might even build loyalty. Case and point marriage and celebacy: probably the only thing threatening the churches control-by-faith is the drive to protect your spouse and children. So they are not allowed to have them. Bonus round: why is there a concept of “sin” and “confession”? Because this helps the church know all the dirty secrets of powerful people and their loved ones. The rest is history (blackmail).
Case in point
