Discovery bringing Georgiou back in season 2 as a Section 31 agent felt to me like the show was doing this, and is what put me off that show specifically. I really like the majority of modern Trek shows, and even like 2 out of 3 of the Kelvin timeline movies.
I think they brought her back in an attempt to backpedal the absolute fucking disaster that was season 1. I honestly enjoy Discovery as sci-fi, but when I rewatch Season 1 I can’t shake the feeling they took another IPs pilot and stretched Star Trek over it like a horrible skinsuit.
It had exactly the opposite effect for me. I greatly disliked season 1 of Discovery but thought they wrapped it up well enough at the end of the season that they could move on. Georgiou showing back up in season 2 read to me as them having learned absolutely nothing and doubling down on the disaster rather than backpedaling from it.
Georgiou eventually turned on her S31 superiors, joined the Discovery crew, and tried to make the Mirror Universe better when the Guardian (sort of) gave her the opportunity.
Space Hitler felt kind of bad about some things and made some space friends and promises to make the next Space Reich a little nicer. No need for Space Nuremburg, for real.
So what about any of that screams “the Terran Empire did nothing wrong” to you?
I wasn’t talking about you in particular, nor was I making the connection to that character when I was talking about red flags until you forcibly made it for me.
Read again. I was talking about people posting sometimes hours-long screeds in public zone chat channels in an online game about how badly they want to exterminate undesirables, that also happen to almost universally identify with the Terran Empire or Section 31 between such rants.
Because you went off into the weeds to make excuses for a specific character, I did happen to roll my eyes at the “the mass murdering dictator is sorry and that somehow means she is okay now, feeling bad and promising to be nicer rebalances the scales in a way that karmically un-kills everyone she murdered” argument, though it was a different topic and wasn’t even connected to what I was saying about toxic fans (and the actual topic brought up in this thread).
Are you continuing to believe that your sidetrack fandom-driven defensiveness had much to do with what I was talking about to begin with, even after I answered your still-silly and increasingly-off topic claim that a character feeling bad and promising to do better somehow un-does the atrocities she did before?
I’m not going to congratulate you for your favorite bad writing cliche.
Do you have anything else to add but more seething rage? You brought up Godwin’s law first there. Was that because of some guilty conscience about the edgy contrarian character cliches you stan for that needs to be buried under more smug Reddity zingers?
I was generous, even patient, with Strange New Worlds and enjoyed it for the most part, if only because it was not Discovery and its tiresome contrarian “what if evil people… adorable scamps? What if everyone is kind of an asshole? What if moral ambiguity makes the audience feel very very smart while justifying whatever the writers want to show without feeling bad about it?”
It was an experience explaining to my wife (who only watched SNW and Lower Decks and The Orville and only knew about TOS from secondhand sources) that Kirk would totally strike a truce with the Gorn… and that’s why some of them were just chilling, having a nice wedding in Lower Decks that Rutherford rudely interrupted.
Discovery bringing Georgiou back in season 2 as a Section 31 agent felt to me like the show was doing this, and is what put me off that show specifically. I really like the majority of modern Trek shows, and even like 2 out of 3 of the Kelvin timeline movies.
I think they brought her back in an attempt to backpedal the absolute fucking disaster that was season 1. I honestly enjoy Discovery as sci-fi, but when I rewatch Season 1 I can’t shake the feeling they took another IPs pilot and stretched Star Trek over it like a horrible skinsuit.
It had exactly the opposite effect for me. I greatly disliked season 1 of Discovery but thought they wrapped it up well enough at the end of the season that they could move on. Georgiou showing back up in season 2 read to me as them having learned absolutely nothing and doubling down on the disaster rather than backpedaling from it.
Georgiou eventually turned on her S31 superiors, joined the Discovery crew, and tried to make the Mirror Universe better when the Guardian (sort of) gave her the opportunity.
Space Hitler felt kind of bad about some things and made some space friends and promises to make the next Space Reich a little nicer. No need for Space Nuremburg, for real.
So what about any of that screams “the Terran Empire did nothing wrong” to you? Or would you rather keep deflecting?
I wasn’t talking about you in particular, nor was I making the connection to that character when I was talking about red flags until you forcibly made it for me.
Read again. I was talking about people posting sometimes hours-long screeds in public zone chat channels in an online game about how badly they want to exterminate undesirables, that also happen to almost universally identify with the Terran Empire or Section 31 between such rants.
Because you went off into the weeds to make excuses for a specific character, I did happen to roll my eyes at the “the mass murdering dictator is sorry and that somehow means she is okay now, feeling bad and promising to be nicer rebalances the scales in a way that karmically un-kills everyone she murdered” argument, though it was a different topic and wasn’t even connected to what I was saying about toxic fans (and the actual topic brought up in this thread).
Spare me the catty Reddit zingers.
Cool cool, you’re just inserting irrelevant comments into a discussion I was having with someone else.
Truly dazzling.
Are you continuing to believe that your sidetrack fandom-driven defensiveness had much to do with what I was talking about to begin with, even after I answered your still-silly and increasingly-off topic claim that a character feeling bad and promising to do better somehow un-does the atrocities she did before?
I’m not going to congratulate you for your favorite bad writing cliche.
Hey look, the guy who broke the land speed record on the way to Godwin has thoughts on cliches!
https://www.rstreet.org/commentary/i-created-godwins-law-in-1990-but-it-wasnt-a-prediction-it-was-a-warning/
Do you have anything else to add but more seething rage? You brought up Godwin’s law first there. Was that because of some guilty conscience about the edgy contrarian character cliches you stan for that needs to be buried under more smug Reddity zingers?
I was generous, even patient, with Strange New Worlds and enjoyed it for the most part, if only because it was not Discovery and its tiresome contrarian “what if evil people… adorable scamps? What if everyone is kind of an asshole? What if moral ambiguity makes the audience feel very very smart while justifying whatever the writers want to show without feeling bad about it?”
I like Strange New Worlds. Very much hoping they complicate the Gorn cliffhanger they left the last season off with though.
It was an experience explaining to my wife (who only watched SNW and Lower Decks and The Orville and only knew about TOS from secondhand sources) that Kirk would totally strike a truce with the Gorn… and that’s why some of them were just chilling, having a nice wedding in Lower Decks that Rutherford rudely interrupted.
Your wife has watched 3/4 of the good modern Trek series and should watch Prodigy. (and the TNG era Treks)
She lost interest after the first episodes of Prodigy, but I may try again sometime. I heard good things and it’s better to watch new shows together.
It’s very good and only gets better as it goes on. Season 2 was fantastic.