Ranting, especially on work made by the community* is bad, i know but my frustration comes because it has not be like that. systemd is bloat, madness …
Linux has improved on so many front, is better than ever but this pile of crap is threatening everything.
*systemd is IBM, so not really community, so it’s fine :)
You can criticise SystemD for a bunch of things but that shit fucking works like a charm and removes so much of the pain managing your init system. The journaling, the parallel unit startup, the timers, the unit files are so much easier to manage now that it used to be.
As someone who has used linux for >25 years and has experienced the madness of SysV init scripts for decades (well, only two, but the plural is still technically correct; the best kind of correct), I have a very hard time to take people who make posts like these serious.
There are people like you, and then there are people who refuse to learn new things.
I’m like you, good old init in the 90s on Linux or BSD , we had init, inetd, and like 10 process, no X, it was cool and easy. Init and rc started becoming bloated and complicated sometimes. I don’t hate systemd, it does its thing right, I used Ubuntu for years and systemd without issue. Now I’m using MX that supports both, best of both world.
how dare you criticize smystemD, I spend 20 years having to write startup scripts in assembly with a quill and feather and i can tell you that sistem_d is literally life changing, I stopped drinking an got out of prison ever since arch implemented it
Get out of the dark ages, real geeks use mechanical pencils! 😆
SystemD is life-changing all right, just not in a good way. I keep fighting with it though because I really like Debian.
Debian will happily use sysvinit. It’s easiest to just switch to it at install time, but you can do afterwards too: Init
I’ve veen using it on desktops, laptops and servers without issue.
The more people who switch, the clearer the message that this choice needs to be maintained.
I’ve used that before but generally just go with direct installations now instead of fighting it. However I have to wonder, if this is still a thing that actually works correctly in Debian, then why is Devuan a thing? There must be a difference in maintenance between them to justify the labor?
I think Devuan split when it was still uncertain whether Debian would have init freedom. I’m running Xfce4, but I believe there were issues with Gnome being tightly tied to SystemD on Debian. It looks like that’s improving, but that Devuan has it all working. I guess the other issue is that Debian still don’t guarantee init freedom, whereas Devuan does.
They didn’t criticize systemd though…
systemd is bloat, madness …
this pile of crap is threatening everythingThose aren’t criticisms.
Well it doesn’t have actual arguments but you get the idea that they hate it
Yeah, I do get that they hate it, but that’s not a criticism.
Repeating false statements doesn’t make them true. fyi: that’s a criticism of your comments ;-)
The post would have been more interesting if you gave some details on what exactly broke, how you fixed it, relevant bugs etc.
Try using Windows…
To be fair, SystemD never broke my windows install. Its also never broken any of my linux installs either but yenno.
Windows doesnt need systemD to break. Its perfectly capable of doing that without any outside help :) that was sort of my point ;-)
now now, … lets not get too crazy here ;)
PS: i didn’t downvote … just fyi
well, there are
openrcandrunit
