• Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    You don’t think critically about mediabiasfactcheck?

    Voice of America was created to promote American propaganda, it’s literally the US propaganda outlet. You’re a shill.

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      1 year ago

      I’ve never heard of this in history before. The whole thing smells.

      You don’t think critically about mediabiasfactcheck?

      😂😅

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      I apparently think about it more critically than you do. All journalism is not propaganda; some is good in fact, and we can determine which is good and which is bad. And I at least have sources, whereas you have, uh… brain damage I guess?

      Also that’s a laughable and total misunderstanding of Voice of America’s history, mission, and goals. It has a reputation basically everywhere as being as close to objective and reliable reporting as you can get outside the BBC. I guess you’re just assuming it’s bad based on its name, which is not great on the critical thinking front!

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        I don’t disagree with you about VOA not being 100% propaganda, but I think the thing that RT and VOA do share in common is that they are state-funded. With that being said, WaPo (just like the BBC) isn’t state funded so it’s still a poor comparison.

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          The BBC is quasi-state funded; its relationship with the government is not entirely cut-and-dry, since it is funded through a government act (though not directly by the UK itself).

          What matters is whether the state has controls that prevent it from interfering with its media sources, and whether those sources have missions respecting journalistic integrity. For the VOA and BBC this is entirely true, both have charters specifically mandating them to do that and their respective governments have very clear “hands-off” laws and policies (or did until Trump, the story does get a little complicated for the VOA recently).

          RT on the other hand just publishes Putin’s marketing emails.

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          I concede it’s a stretched argument but WaPo is known for hiring ex-State Department/ex-CIA staff onto its editorial board. I’m too lazy to find source but say something that gets me riled up and I’ll find the source out of spite.

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        and reliable reporting as you can get outside the BBC

        “Russian state owned media bad. British state owned media good.”

        I guess you’re just assuming it’s bad based on its name

        No, we know it’s bad because it’s literally run by the US government.

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        I know it’s tough to believe, but government-funded things aren’t necessarily bad. To discover if they’re bad you have to do more research than seeing who funds them!

        It’s shocking I know.

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            Yes; have you? If you have you’d know they have a reputation basically everywhere for journalistic integrity, high objectivity, and high factuality.

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              You’re making this up. It’s known around the world for being US propaganda. Next you’ll be saying Stars and Stripes is highly objective.

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                I’m literally the only one who hasn’t made shit up this thread because I’ve linked sources. Want some more?

                Columbia Journalism Review writes in a rather incisive examination of its position as state-run media:

                VOA earned credibility around the world on the basis of its honest journalism, even when its stories conflicted with US policy. “Some might argue that as a government-funded network, the voa should always be expected to portray US policies as righteous and successful,” wrote former VOA Director Sanford Ungar in Foreign Affairs in 2005. “But experience demonstrates that the VOA is most appreciated and effective when it functions as a model US-style news organization that presents a balanced view of domestic and international events, setting an example for how independent journalism can strengthen democracy.”

                From the Dallas News:

                As anyone who’s ever lived, worked or served overseas will tell you, the Voice of America (VOA) is an invaluable and highly respected source of news and reliable information in a world too often flooded with misinformation and propaganda.

                Here’s some other bias checking websites.

                So certainly you have some sources for your claim that it’s US propaganda, right? It’s based on more than just the name and you continually asserting it?

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                    I honestly could go on; are you claiming that literally all English-language reporting on the VOA (including a fair amount of critical coverage that still talks about its journalistic integrity) is participating in some kind of conspiracy to support its reputation?

                    Certainly you have evidence of that? Even a single source?

                    But obviously not. You have no interest in things like “evidence,” and asking you to support your absurd assertions is simply a waste of time.