• EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml
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      2 months ago

      So we should completely ignore what’s going on by something that he has said. If we’re holding people accountable by what they’ve said, should we not also be holding Harris accountable by saying that she once supported livable wages and universal health care?

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        2 months ago

        If we’re holding people accountable by what they’ve said, should we not also be holding Harris accountable by saying that she once supported livable wages and universal health care?

        Yes, now you’re starting to get it. People, especially politicians, should be held accountable to their words.

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          2 months ago

          And no one does, if they were held accountable people like Biden and Trump would have never been considered as viable candidates. Biden in 1988 was a prime example, he was held accountable for his lies. If people were held accountable no one would consider Harris based on her past.

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            2 months ago

            So hold no one accountable and don’t try to model future behaviors based on past actions and statements? I guess it’s better to grab performative notes from Twitter.

            At the end of the day, the likelihood of survival for any given Palestinian drops dramatically with trump as president as compared to Harris. Does this mean Harris is doing everything or will do everything she should? Absolutely not. But if you actually give a shit about people’s lives, then, yes, strategic voting, particularly in this case, is necessary mitigating action. Or maybe you don’t actually care about humans living or dying and are, like I said, just engaging in social media fueled performative bullshit to justify apathy and laziness.

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              2 months ago

              I am voting strategically, against both shades of fascism. Continuing to reward bad behavior by electing them creates worse behavior. Republicans have gone from Nixon, who even Obama said was to the left of him, to total garbage like Trump because Republicans wouldn’t hold their politicians accountable. Democrats have gone from someone like Carter to someone denying there is a genocide happening in the ME because they wouldn’t hold their politicians accountable.

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                How are you holding them accountable when one of them is still going to be in power? You’re just sacrificing one of the few concrete mechanisms you have to actually make things better. Yeah, a Harris victory doesn’t mean immediate victory in the fight against this atrocity, but a Trump election does mean defeat.