One of my biggest problems with the movies is that they made Elrond (and all of the other elves) so angry and stodgy, and completely ignored all of the joyful aspects of his character from the books. The elves, especially the Noldor, are a people defined by the way their joy for life is inextricably mixed with sorrow as they fight the long defeat, which is part of what makes them so compelling.
Funnily enough, one of my main problems at first was that they did the opposite to Gandalf in the opening scene: in the book, he’s strict gravitas personified, but in the movie he’s genially chuckling over a line he said seriously in the books.
Granted, he was pretty much spot on for pretty much the rest of the movie, in no small part because of how brilliant Ian McKellen was and is.
I thought Legolas was portrayed as too sympathetic compared to the books, though. His haughty attitude and general jerkness towards the also very proud Gimli was a big part of what fleshed out Gimli as a character.
Making Legolas one of the biggest Marty Stus outside of fan fiction in turn relegated Gimli to almost only a comic relief parody.
Agreed. Hugo weaving is a good actor, but played the part so stoically that in my head I automatically insert “, Mr. Anderson” after everything Elrond says as if he’s agent Smith
I’d say Tolkien is a bit inconsistent in how he portrays elves. In The Hobbit, they are more like frolicking, dancing and singing pixies and in LotR they are more ethereal and aloof like fey.
IIRC, Elrond isn’t as stuck-up in the book, but it’s been a year or two since I last read Fellowship.
One of my biggest problems with the movies is that they made Elrond (and all of the other elves) so angry and stodgy, and completely ignored all of the joyful aspects of his character from the books. The elves, especially the Noldor, are a people defined by the way their joy for life is inextricably mixed with sorrow as they fight the long defeat, which is part of what makes them so compelling.
Funnily enough, one of my main problems at first was that they did the opposite to Gandalf in the opening scene: in the book, he’s strict gravitas personified, but in the movie he’s genially chuckling over a line he said seriously in the books.
Granted, he was pretty much spot on for pretty much the rest of the movie, in no small part because of how brilliant Ian McKellen was and is.
I thought Legolas was portrayed as too sympathetic compared to the books, though. His haughty attitude and general jerkness towards the also very proud Gimli was a big part of what fleshed out Gimli as a character.
Making Legolas one of the biggest Marty Stus outside of fan fiction in turn relegated Gimli to almost only a comic relief parody.
There’s a lot said about that particular dynamic and why it exists in the actual dwarf community.
…you mean like “little people” or whatever the preferred term is? 😛
Agreed. Hugo weaving is a good actor, but played the part so stoically that in my head I automatically insert “, Mr. Anderson” after everything Elrond says as if he’s agent Smith
Frodo reappears after putting the ring on, disorientated from the experience
Elrond: “MISTER BAGGINS!”
Juno Reactor music starts playing
Cut to the Battle of the Morannon, but it’s not an army of Gondor but just an endless stream of Agent Smiths bumrushing the Orcs with Kung Fu.
Yes, elves in the books are a lot more… human.
They feast, they sing, they dance, they do stupid things, they prank each other. If anything they seem the most playful race.
Shit, in The Hobbit, a soldier on duty gets so drunk that he passes out, allowing Bilbo and the Dwarves are able to escape in barrels.
PJ very much took the Elves and said “let’s make them into Star Trek Vulcans!”
I’d say Tolkien is a bit inconsistent in how he portrays elves. In The Hobbit, they are more like frolicking, dancing and singing pixies and in LotR they are more ethereal and aloof like fey.
Jackson chose to stick to the fey aspect.
Aren’t the elves from The Hobbit also a different group? It could just be that they are frolicking weirdos compared to Elrond’s and Galadriel’s elves.
It’s literally Elrond in The Hobbit as far as I recall.
I think they’re referring to the Wood Elves they encounter on their way through Mirkwood.
The playful, drunk elves of the Hobbit were wood elves; the stuffy ones were high elves
I think PJ made them a bit too up themselves
(Too stuck up, too snooty, too like the ideal British noble)