This community is housed on an instance run by two trans women, focused on the needs of the queer and gender diverse community.
We allowed 196 here because we were promised the community is queer and trans inclusive.
If you’re here it’s because you’re aggressively supportive of trans folk. Not middle of the ground, not “just asking questions”.
If your response to that is, “yes, but…” then this isn’t the instance for you, and by extension, this isn’t the community for you.
tl;dr - Unambiguous support and inclusion, or fuck off somewhere else.
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Edit - I changed the phrase "aggressive support to “unambiguous support”, as there was some confusion over the intent behind my previous phrasing.
Aggressive support given!
WHATS THAT SORRY I CANT HEAR YOU IM CRANKING THE HOG RIGHT NOW TRANSPHOBES GTFO (DISRESPECTFULLY) 🏳️⚧️
There was transphobia in 196? HOW?
One of the mods made a post about how this comment being really creepy about trans men’s bodies somehow wasn’t transphobic and then deleted it after people started calling them out lol
Thank you for providing good context on this thread. The original comment was ass, but not important overall. If the mod hadn’t decided to explicitly defend it, this wouldn’t even be a conversation. This entire discourse would have been avoided if it wasn’t for a shitty mod post.
Defending it is the only sane response. He was literally asked for his opinion. Is it homophobic for a straight person not find the same gender attractive? Of course not. Then how is transphobic for a cis man not to be into penises? It’s completely bizarre reasoning.
The mod could have just… Not responded to it like they don’t respond to thousands of comments. You’re not listening to the point. If you’re straight, don’t fuck trans men because you view them as women because vagina and boob
Nedankinde. This is an issue we all care about, after all.
The guy said he wasn’t into dicks and that it would be weird to like something about his partner that they would want gone and dislike. That’s not transphobic. It honestly bonkers that people find that to be transphobic.
Most people seem to agree it wasn’t transphobia, but here’s the context: https://lemmy.world/post/1893561
There was some transphobia that came crawling out like usually happens when a trans topic starts getting active, but they got shut down pretty quickly
There was some transphobia that came crawling out like usually happens when a trans topic starts getting active
That is what prompted this post. It happens every single time trans stuff comes up. There is no space for it here.
To be clear, some of the comments you removed were from the person you are now replying to.
Yes, I’m aware. You can see the list here https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/modlog?page=1&userId=170858
They were removed, because a meme community on a trans run instance isn’t the place for a discussion on the specifics of why you don’t want to fuck trans people.
We hear that enough, every day, in every place we look online. We don’t need it here too.
Was the post transphobic? That depends on who you ask, but either way, what it wasn’t is “unambiguously supportive”
It’s also worth pointing out that those posts were not the trigger for this thread
a meme community on a trans run instance isn’t the place for a discussion on the specifics of why you don’t want to fuck trans people.
I really wish more people got this
Honestly I didn’t realize this was a trans community. I thought ‘196’ was just some random number like the ‘4’ in 4chan. 196 just had good content. The fact it’s inclusive is just a bonus.
The entire instance lemmy.blahaj.zone is a trans themed instance therefore every community on it is slanted towards trans community and support.
That’s partially to blame for all 196 communities having this weird “if you know you know” approach to writing their mission statement and rules. I’ve seen numerous people ask wth is 196 because of how vague the communities they saw were.
But, particularly about the social politics, here’s also the thing I think. Trans rights are human rights. Communities fall under two categories: Welcoming to trans people, versus inherently evil. So I don’t think that a community is pro-trans should ever have to be stated. It should be assume, and whoever has a problem with it should go fuck off from society, Satan has a place for them.
It’s not a trans community per se, it’s more of a more trans-friendly shitposting community. Like, I think, even now majority of posters aren’t trans. And majority of content is not trans-themed, it’s not traa. It’s a good place if you don’t want to see only trans-themed memes, but also don’t want to see transphobia
“Not gay as in happy, but queer as in fuck you!”
TRANS RIGHTS
after seeing this for a brief moment i forgot lemmy supported headings in markdown and assumed it started supporting MFM
i’ve been spending too much time on
calckeyfirefish
HELL YEAH 💖
Can you see my reply? I’m on lemmy.world and I thought it was still defederated from Beehaw so I shouldn’t be able to see your comment O_o(I’m used to being more active on my beehaw account so using my lemmy.world account threw me off, disregard this lol)P.S. Yay trans rights and having a pro-trans meme space 😄
Being defederated just means you can’t see new posts on beehaw communities and they can’t see your communities at all. If your instance and beehaw are both federated with a third instance, like the one this community is on, then you’ll still be able to see comments by beehaw users on that instance.
Let me just make sure I got this right
Dee is on lemmy.world
Zoop is on beehaw
This thread is on lemmy.blahaj.zone
So Dee and Zoop can see each other’s comments since neither lemmy.world nor beehaw is defederated from blahaj.zone?
It’s like a border state or something
Accorded neutral ground
I can see Zoop’s comment, but Zoop can’t see mine. Because beehaw is defederated from lemmy.world but lemmy.world has not chosen to defederate from beehaw so it still gets the comments from beehaw users.
Actually because all these replies are to my lemmy.world account Zoop can’t see this entire exchange, and I can’t see it on my beehaw account either. I just had a brain fart.
I’m not sure about that. I think it might be a glitch or something because I never see beehaw comments on lemmy.world and never see lemmy.world comments on my beehaw account. Like, I can’t see the comment I made on this account from my beehaw account.Just thought it was odd.I was just being dumb, Monzingo is right.
Thank you so much. We need that more than anything right now — where transphobic content tends to be the default on the web.
If this is the time to go full aggressive for our rights, count me in!
(And if you’re here to passive-aggressively complain about how you « don’t care about people’s sexuality » and making everyone notice you’re leaving — let me be very active-aggressive in saying « good fucking riddance » to you.)
heheh, i like this comment
Trans women are women. Girldick is best dick.
Know that you are loved. ^And also sexually objectified. Sorry bout that… ^
-Sincerely a cis lesbian.
Can you explain the girldick thing? I’m a transman and that comes off as one of the many things that are low key alienating in expressions of support, but it’s possible I’m just mistaken.
The original reference (which triggered the OP to post) is a cis man saying he wouldn’t sleep with a pre op trans woman.
He said something along the lines that girldick is disgusting, I’m saying it’s hot.
If that’s problematic I can delete (not sure how that works on lemmy though). I would rather hear it from a trans woman though. If you want to discuss, go for it.
FYI, the person that you’re talking about, is not the reason I made this post, nor were they talking about trans women or girldick.
This whole line of discussion is based on a misunderstanding of the original context I think
Maybe using a cis bigot’s words isn’t the best way to show trans support. Hurts that you’d rather hear it from a trans woman. I guess this place just isn’t for me or people like me. It happens. Pretty depressing though.
I’m not the person you were seeking clarification from but I took her comment to mean that she is a cis woman that’s sexually attracted to women, but also enjoys P.I.V. sex. Therfore she would be happy to discover that a woman she is attracted to has a penis.
That’s just my interpretation though.
How far removed from the instigating post is that? It doesn’t seem all that different if we’re immediately diving into fuckables and unfuckables.
But muh discussion with both sides! 🤨🤔 That’s not very tolerant of you, guess we know whose the real baguette now. 😤
What the fuck, transphobia on 196?
Trans rights 🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️
100% based; Was already worried where this community was headed
BLÅHAJ Lemmy W
Thank you! I followed 196 over here from Reddit when it moved and I appreciate you reaffirming its principles. I think the move to Lemmy paradoxically gave 196 more visibility to people who don’t necessarily agree with those principles because its posts wind up so prominent on All, especially in smaller instances. It’s kind of hilarious how many posts I’ve seen asking why people on Lemmy say “rule” all the time 😂
Edit: in closing, fuck transphobes
Trans people are regular, real people. Like my college friend. Or my wife’s HS friend. Or that one kind soul I worked with once.
I’m so god damn sick of all the hatred and lies and bullshit and murder and sadistic laws against trans people.
I loudly applaud any space that actively supports trans people and gives them a place free from hatred and assholes.
The fact that they need a space away from everyone else, and the fact that this post even had to be made, is a testament to mankind’s inhumanity to man. People are people, but there’s an unsettling amount of people that can’t see past creed, color, sexuality, and so on.
I’d say it’s a monument to our own hubris as well. We’re the most advanced civilization that we know exists, but still can’t seem to treat members of our own society right.
Will spend the next days reporting transphobes if necessary <3 best wishes from Germany
Thanks for this, honestly it was worrying how many upvotes some transphobic replies were getting.
I’m glad yall posted this but I’m bummed it’s no longer “aggressive.” Anybody who pretends that the wording of “aggressive support” is concerning is probably afraid of triggering that aggression themselves… and they should be.
People were thinking that aggressive meant that they had to be explicitly active in trans spaces and talking about trans stuff. What I wanted to convey is that someone doesn’t have to talk about trans stuff to post here, but if they do talk about trans stuff, it needs to be unambiguously supportive.
I however remain aggressively supportive, and will continue to ban bigots, reply guys and “just asking question” dog whistlers as soon as they appear :)
I don’t subscribe to this community but I found your post in the top of my feed. And want people to know, you have my support. I think it’s awesome that you’re able to build this community.
I’m not going to be aggressive in any online discussion but I am very sensitive to the situation. My brother was a gay man who had lots of difficulties and ultimately took his own life. I will always wonder if society was different, if he’d still be here.
So I will never shy away in real life. I promised the memories of my brother to always be that change that is needed. I will be that cis dude who takes the time to try and change people who show me their bigotry.
I know people in real life who have transitioned. It’s a very difficult process and anyone who feels that they need it, they should have access to it. The look of being comfortable in one’s own skin afterwards is absolutely observable. I can only do what I can do but you will always have an ally in me.
