• the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    That will require an agreement with the host nations. That is not guaranteed by any means, nor is their safety before, during, or after the evacuation.

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        It’s not impossible, but I’m saying it isn’t guaranteed to be successful. I doubt Israel will agree to this arrangement, and I don’t know what nations will be willing to host them indefinitely. And given that Osama bin Laden orchestrated 9/11 partly because of the US’s alliance with the Jews, do you think these groups that hate Jews so much won’t consider striking their new homes?

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          The “Death to Israel” chants and hatred to Israel as an anti-zionist expression, not an anti-semitic one. This isn’t a conflict between Muslims and Jews. It’s one between Arabs and Zionist extremists.

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            It’s a conflict that caused Hamas to rape and kill 1,500 people, including children, and launch tens of thousands of rockets indiscriminately into Israel. I guess the victims were all Zionist extremists, though.

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              Before I address your comment I just want to point out that a lot of the accusations about what was done by Hamas on Oct 7th was later debunked. Was it bad? Yes. Was it as bad as Israel made the world to believe? No.

              And Oct 7th was not the beginning of the conflict. Israel was oppressing and systemically cleansing the Palestinian population for a long time. The only new thing Oct 7th introduced was that the civilians dying were white and not brown. Israel doesn’t have the right to call themselves some kind of victim, not after all they’ve done.

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                Here is a response to Al-Jazeera’s October 7 documentary. And Hamas is still holding hostages from that day. Or is this whole article “pro-Israel propaganda”?

                Oct 7th was what kicked this most recent madness off. If that didn’t happen, Gaza would likely not have been leveled and many would not have died, to name a few things. Hamas started this fight in particular, and it’s going to end one way or another.

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                  You’re link doesn’t discredit Al-Jazeeras claims. It just tries to discredit Al-Jazeera itself for being biased while being very biased itself. I would have taken it more seriously if it actually tried to explain why Al-Jazeera was wrong. Sorry, not buying it.

                  Like I said above. Oct 7th wasn’t the beginning of this conflict. And Gaza was being wiped out before it, just more slowly and a lot more quietly.

                  Hamas didn’t start this fight, they’re just fighting back for their freedom and very lives.

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                    Yes, actually, the source does discredit Al-Jazeera’s claims. Here are a few points from the article:

                    • Al Jazeera claims that these protests were entirely peaceful, while ironically showing footage of a young boy using a slingshot to throw either a rock or explosive towards the border fence.
                    • It should also be mentioned that while the protests are depicted as Palestinians merely wanting to return to their historical homes, this would not be peaceful. The majority of Palestinians do not seem willing to share the region with Jews. A one-state solution would necessitate a genocide of Jewish people. And a two-state solution will never work because Palestinian resistance groups insist on total domination.
                    • It claims, very innocently, that Hamas was elected as the Gazan government in 2006, without mentioning Hamas’ brutal killing of its political opposition and its violent seizing of all power shortly after those elections. Hamas is not just a terrorist organisation. It’s a brutal dictatorship that oppresses Gazans far more than Israel, as a foreign power, ever could.
                    • Footage is then shown of Hamas fighters attacking civilian areas, killing innocent people in their cars, and firing into windows of houses, cutting off women screaming. There is CCTV footage of Hamas fighters, fresh from killing, attacking a gas station convenience store, and proceeding to steal candy and pastries. I can’t imagine a normal person having the appetite to eat treats after committing such a slaughter.
                    • Taking civilian hostages is a war crime which has not been mentioned by Al Jazeera or many media or governments. Hamas clearly engaged in intentionally slaughtering civilians, another war crime. Israel’s alleged killing of Gazan civilians has all been as a result of air strikes or bombardment, where the fog of war obscures the true identities of the combatants. Hamas knowingly killed civilians. That should mean something.

                    It may not be the beginning of this entire conflict, but it did cause a drastic escalation. That much is undeniable. Hamas chose this, and this is the result.