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Ice cream brand Ben & Jerry’s said in a lawsuit filed Wednesday that parent company Unilever has silenced its attempts to express support for Palestinian refugees, and threatened to dismantle its board and sue its members over the issue.

The lawsuit is the latest sign of the long-simmering tensions between Ben & Jerry’s and consumer products maker Unilever. A rift erupted between the two in 2021 after Ben & Jerry’s said it would stop selling its products in the Israeli-occupied West Bank because it was inconsistent with its values, a move that led some to divest Unilever shares.

The ice cream maker then sued Unilever for selling its business in Israel to its licensee there, which allowed marketing in the West Bank and Israel to continue. That lawsuit was settled in 2022.

  • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
    32·
    1 month ago

    You’re fundamentally ignoring or misunderstanding what a fallacy is. Here’s the dictionary definition:

    Note that, by any of those 3 definitions, the argument that it’s absurd to take Ben & Jerry’s freedom of speech seriously because Trump is a fallacy.

    Just likely a slippery slope argument is valid when a certain course of action legitimately leads to increasingly negative outcomes (such as for example treating Trump as a serious candidate in the first place in 2015), a usually valid argument technique is fallacious when used fallaciously.

    And in case you still believe that nothing can be a fallacy without having the word “fallacy” in the opening paragraph of Wikipedia, I invite you to look up “hyperbole” and “slippery slope” there.

    • frezik@midwest.social
      22·
      1 month ago

      If they’re guilty of hyperbole or slippery slope, then say that. Lumping in reducto ad absurdum takes away from a very powerful and useful tool of formal logic. Overloading the term makes understanding more fuzzy, not more clarifying.

      • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
        31·
        1 month ago

        If they’re guilty of hyperbole or slippery slope, then say that

        I JUST told you about how hyperbole and slippery slope arguments aren’t inherently fallacious. Just like reducto ad absurdum arguments, they’re fallacies when used fallaciously and otherwise NOT fallacies.

        Is that clear enough, or do you want me to Ask Figaro?

        • frezik@midwest.social
          22·
          1 month ago

          Let’s go back a few steps in the thread. The response was simply “Reducto ad absurdum” as if that explained it right there. Except, that’s not itself a fallacy. It might be used in a fallacious way, but simply stating “Reducto ad absurdum” does not point out any fallacy what so ever.

          And that’s my whole point. People use the term in a muddy way that takes away from a tool.

          • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
            22·
            1 month ago

            So that’s where you want the goal posts now?

            I specifically agreed that reducto ad absurdum isn’t inherently a fallacy in the first sentence of my first reply to you.

            And that’s my whole point

            It is now that your original point that “there’s no such thing as a reducto ad absurdum fallacy” has been shot to pieces 🙄

            People use the term in a muddy way that takes away from a tool.

            That’s the case with almost every tool of every kind that people have access to.

            Especially in the case of language, people are constantly using it wrong, and while I genuinely applaud your intention of projecting a useful tool from being dulled by misuse, the battle is an uphill one to begin with.

            Don’t make it even worse by misstating your position and then defending that mistake like it’s the Korean border.

            • frezik@midwest.social
              1·
              1 month ago

              I said early on:

              There might be some other logical fallacy at play. Slippery slope is a common one in cases where people cite reducto ad absurdum. But why not cite the actual fallacy rather than the one that isn’t a fallacy at all?

              Yes, you can use reducto ad absurdum arguments in a fallacious way. That’s true of literally any kind of argument, so it’s pointless to say that. Point out the actual fallacy or don’t.

              • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
                11·
                1 month ago

                Reducto ad absurdum fallacy = reducto ad absurdum used fallaciously. That’s all.

                I can explain it for you, but I can’t understand it for you.

                • frezik@midwest.social
                  21·
                  1 month ago

                  But why call that out at all? Why not call out an actual fallacy built inside a reducto ad absurdum argument (assuming there is one)? The poster way up the stack did not clarify at all. They posted “reducto ad absurdum” as if that was the end of it.

                  • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
                    1·
                    1 month ago

                    The poster way up the stack did not clarify at all. They posted “reducto ad absurdum” as if that was the end of it.

                    Perhaps they were using that as a shorthand for “reducto ad absurdum fallacy” and, not unreasonably, expecting that people would infer ad much from context.

                    Either way, we have discussed this to death and you’re still beating the horse, if you will forgive the purposefully mixed metaphor.

                    Even if you won’t, it’s too late now, so we all must find a way to cope. Have a good day.