It’s a horrendous thing. To see a person killed before thier time when they didn’t have to die. Just like what happens to thousands of Americans each year who are denied coverage. If we’re actually honest with ourselves, the only reason this one is seen as a tragedy by politicians and CEOs is that there was no profit to be had in it.
Define what “cold blood” means to you. To me it sounds like you mean the assassin didn’t have a motive, and seeing as this CEO directly profited from denying people live saving healthcare, there’s a pretty fucking big motivation.
Cold blood usually just means as opposed to “hot blood”, that is, in the heat of the moment. People say it as if it makes it particularly bad, but really, it’s almost a synonym for “premeditated”.
Who said that? I’m talking about the human, not the employee. We’re also talking about official political and news statements, not public discourse.
He had a family. Seriously. The media or politicians publicly telling his children, “We’re all happy your dad is dead because of his career choice!” just doesn’t resonate with me.
They’re one in the same, he had power, he could have changed things. He MADE the decisions he did, he CHOSE to pump up those denial numbers and profits at the expense of human life. Nobody is forced to be a CEO.
You haven’t actually suggested any way in which the guy’s work and behaviour could be viewed “three-dimensionally”. While I can agree that discourse especially online slips into dehumanisation of (real or imagined) enemies too easily… this is really not a case where this is the incorrect approach.
Edit: Regarding the guy’s family, I can agree that they did not deserve the death of the father/husband. But that does not really concern the guy by himself, his own moral character, it’s someone else’s problem. When a criminal gets sent to jail or executed, does anyone really give a crap about how much his family will suffer from that? Not really, the criminal is assumed to be a morally independent being that can tell right from wrong by himself, and his failure to do that is his own.
I agree, It is really sad for the family of this guy, and I feel bad for them.
That being said, I feel WORSE for the millions of families who have lost a family member due to this CEOs sociopathic decisions.
I think you put it really well with the criminal comparison. This CEO was a criminal, just one that was above the law of the US, who was never going to be brought to justice for his crimes in any other way.
The hundreds of thousands that have suffered severely or died because of the conscious decision he made to deny healthcare just so he could rake in millions of dollars from those decisions also had families.
tIM wAlZ iS a SoCiOpAtH?¿??
Lol the fuck outta here with your bad faith horseshit, you damn clownshow.
Please point to the comment where I wrote anything at all good about the CEO. All I said is that I have empathy for his family and loved ones, and I think that politicians should be compassionate around his death for the sake of his family.
It’s cool if we disagree, but don’t misrepresent me.
There are many stories of people being confronted with the fact that their beloved grandfather or uncle or whoever had been a nazi who killed hundreds of people in the holocaust. Should we soften the discussion of that evil to protect the feeling of their descendants? This man’s children should live with the fact that every comfort they have in life was purchased with the blood and tears of people their father considered worthless.
A person died, murdered in cold blood. They need to be respectful. Would you prefer they celebrate the execution of mass murderers on death row?
That’s not a great comparison, because no mass murderer on death row has ever come close to the level of deaths this CEO is responsible for.
It’s a horrendous thing. To see a person killed before thier time when they didn’t have to die. Just like what happens to thousands of Americans each year who are denied coverage. If we’re actually honest with ourselves, the only reason this one is seen as a tragedy by politicians and CEOs is that there was no profit to be had in it.
John Brown Did Nothing Wrong
The CEO got shot just two days after the anniversary of John Brown’s execution. I’m sure JB smiled upon this assassin from the afterlife.
Not a person, a CEO. Big difference.
Define what “cold blood” means to you. To me it sounds like you mean the assassin didn’t have a motive, and seeing as this CEO directly profited from denying people live saving healthcare, there’s a pretty fucking big motivation.
Cold blood usually just means as opposed to “hot blood”, that is, in the heat of the moment. People say it as if it makes it particularly bad, but really, it’s almost a synonym for “premeditated”.
Yes but saying the mass murderers death is a terrible lost to society is kind of silly, no?
Who said that? I’m talking about the human, not the employee. We’re also talking about official political and news statements, not public discourse.
He had a family. Seriously. The media or politicians publicly telling his children, “We’re all happy your dad is dead because of his career choice!” just doesn’t resonate with me.
They’re one in the same, he had power, he could have changed things. He MADE the decisions he did, he CHOSE to pump up those denial numbers and profits at the expense of human life. Nobody is forced to be a CEO.
Fuck. Him.
That’s a one-dimensional reduction of a human being. I’m sorry, but I’m just not that closed-minded.
You haven’t actually suggested any way in which the guy’s work and behaviour could be viewed “three-dimensionally”. While I can agree that discourse especially online slips into dehumanisation of (real or imagined) enemies too easily… this is really not a case where this is the incorrect approach.
Edit: Regarding the guy’s family, I can agree that they did not deserve the death of the father/husband. But that does not really concern the guy by himself, his own moral character, it’s someone else’s problem. When a criminal gets sent to jail or executed, does anyone really give a crap about how much his family will suffer from that? Not really, the criminal is assumed to be a morally independent being that can tell right from wrong by himself, and his failure to do that is his own.
I agree, It is really sad for the family of this guy, and I feel bad for them.
That being said, I feel WORSE for the millions of families who have lost a family member due to this CEOs sociopathic decisions.
I think you put it really well with the criminal comparison. This CEO was a criminal, just one that was above the law of the US, who was never going to be brought to justice for his crimes in any other way.
Imagine defending a sociopath and then having the utter gall to claim the moral high ground.
Tim Walz is a sociopath? He’s who I’m defending. I’m not saying a single nice thing about the CEO. I’m saying his death devastated his family.
The hundreds of thousands that have suffered severely or died because of the conscious decision he made to deny healthcare just so he could rake in millions of dollars from those decisions also had families.
Lol the fuck outta here with your bad faith horseshit, you damn clownshow.
Bullshit. You were absolutely talking about the CEO, and trying to retcon it only makes you look dishonest and weak.
Please point to the comment where I wrote anything at all good about the CEO. All I said is that I have empathy for his family and loved ones, and I think that politicians should be compassionate around his death for the sake of his family.
It’s cool if we disagree, but don’t misrepresent me.
Oh. So you mean exactly how insurance company CEOs and their boards do? Every. Single. Day.
They sure won’t care about reducing you to a one-dimensional number on an excel spreadsheet.
There are many stories of people being confronted with the fact that their beloved grandfather or uncle or whoever had been a nazi who killed hundreds of people in the holocaust. Should we soften the discussion of that evil to protect the feeling of their descendants? This man’s children should live with the fact that every comfort they have in life was purchased with the blood and tears of people their father considered worthless.
Hitler had children
Politicians and media celebrate killings or Arab leaders all the time…
Poor people get murdered all the time. It’s not what they said, it’s that they chose to say something at all.