I have an economics teacher that made this claim in class yesterday. I wanted to know other people’s thoughts about it.

  • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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    16 days ago

    Stealing from who? It’s a social program, if society has deemed it necessary and the bourgeoisie allows it then it is simply spending.

  • TheWeirdestCunt@lemm.ee
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    17 days ago

    I had a university lecturer who claimed that climate change was racist “because Bangladeshi women can’t swim”

    Idk how some people end up being able to teach sometimes

    • kellenoffdagrid❓️@lemmy.sdf.org
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      17 days ago

      The irony of them making a racial and gendered generalization on swimming skills lmao.

      It’s always bothered me when people will blame a phenomenon and call it racist, when the systematic racism lies in our society and its response to the phenomenon. Climate change isn’t consciously choosing to target minorities, but societies are choosing not to support the minority groups disproportionately affected by it.

    • Vanth@reddthat.com
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      17 days ago

      I’d bet a dollar it was a comment on the disparate impact of climate change on women and people of color, using Bangladeshi women being statistically less likely to know how to swim as an example. But sure, climate change is racist because Bangladeshi women can’t swim, that’s a much more juicy soundbite.

      • emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works
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        16 days ago

        Bangladesh is a very populous country that lies almost entirely at sea level, and the Ganga and Brahmaputra flood at least once a year. The problem isn’t not being able to swim in calm water. The best swimmer in the world would still die if he got caught in one of those currents.

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      17 days ago

      All I could think was: Aliens don’t wear hats on Tuesdays because Tuna Helper is in Retrograde

    • Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world
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      16 days ago

      At a public awareness March in my country a speaker claimed COVID was racist because it disproportionately killed indigenous peoples.

      You could argue that is correlation, where the cause was actually being unvaccinated. This was an antivax march, so obviously it was the government’s fault, not being unvaccinated.

  • Zak@lemmy.world
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    17 days ago

    Not any more than any other subsidy is.

    Actually nullifying a debt a borrower owes to a lender, which the government guaranteed would be paid at the time the loan was issued would be akin to theft. As far as I know, all programs that “cancel” student loan debt are actually the government paying the balance to the issuer.

  • ryathal@sh.itjust.works
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    17 days ago

    In the strictest legal sense it’s not stealing.

    Forgiving loans of those who followed a program and qualified is definitely not stealing. Not forgiving those loans and forcing payment, is at least analogous to stealing.

    Blanket forgiveness of all loans is similar to stealing from future generations, as it is government debt that isn’t getting repaid as expected.

  • Sanctus@lemmy.world
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    17 days ago

    An actually civilized society would want its citizens educated. Does stealing matter in a world of barbarity for profit?

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      17 days ago

      Don’t forget it’s not just a capitalistic money grab, but that an uneducated electorate is easier to control.

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    17 days ago

    Stealing = the act of taking feloniously the personal property of another without his consent and knowledge

    There is nothing felonious or illegal here. The universities signed on to deals for government funding and the money comes with strings.

  • molave@reddthat.com
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    17 days ago

    It’s the same answer to “if you give someone a gift, did they steal from you?” or “is a discount stealing?”

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    16 days ago

    Only by the rich people who are actually stealing from us. PPP loan forgiveness for their litany of fraudulent claims…

    • GiddyGap@lemm.ee
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      16 days ago

      But, assuming that this is in the US, one of the major parties relies on keeping people uneducated, so they don’t want people to pursue higher education. And certainly do not support cancelling student debt.

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        16 days ago

        Im not sure where they’re referring to, but it’s the same, or similar at least, in the U.K.

        That’s how they got Brexit and they’re pushing us to be right wing.

  • belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org
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    16 days ago

    Lol from who? The fucking predatory banks? Fuck debt, its what rich people use to keep us in servitude. School costs absurd amounts because of this shit.

  • OneCardboardBox@lemmy.sdf.org
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    17 days ago

    Eh, maybe. Back during feudalism, emancipation of serfs was also considered theft from the nobles who owned the land (and thus the serfs who worked it).

    Sometimes governments implemented programs to reimburse the nobles for losing “their” serfs, and sometimes not. Now that we’re a couple centuries removed from that drama, we generally accept that the destruction of feudalism was a good thing, regardless of whether it was theft.