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Try as he may, Herr Drumpf will have to pry the maple syrup from my cold, dead hand.
If Canada were to be annexed into the United States, it would rank as the third most populous state, and the second largest in terms of GDP.
As it is the second largest country in the world, it’s size would be unmatched by any U.S. state. In length and girth.
Trump needs to shut the fuck up.
All I can say is freedom isn’t free. Maybe that’s something Canadians need to learn, I don’t know - I don’t really want to assume. But I got a cascadian flag tattoo on my left arm like a soldier’s patch for a reason. I’ve been thinking in neomedieval military terms since I was a teenager at an alternative high school in the late 2000s.
Freedom needs to be constantly defended. If you can’t give up any kind of tribute to a governing authority or series of governing authorities to defend it for you or don’t find any existing entity as authentically defending it then you frankly have to defend it yourself. Same principle for arguing in favor of participatory democracy - if you don’t participate in democracy in some meaningful way you are bound to lose it.
I specifically immigrated to Canada from America. I refuse to go back.
Jokes on you. Canada is still in America
Well, consider what would happen to elections if we join the US. We’d certainly not join as one state and our parties won’t just fold and disappear. The US political bus will swerve hard left by US standards with someone like AOC getting elected prez.
Reminder that the Canadian populace is about 1/10 of America’s.
If in some freak alternate timeline where we actually to get absolved into the States, we 100% lose all autonomy as Canadians and our political preference would be thrown to the wayside and completely outvoted.
Total population, sure, but it’s not like the states are divided by population. I’m not selling for a single state worth of representation. Electoral college is first last the post baby!
assuming Canada is a state and not a territory like Puerto Rico
you’re assuming in a timeline where Canada is annexed by America, that America is still a democratic republic and not a Fascist Warmongeirng Kakistocracy
Sir or Madam, I present to you, Puerto Rico, a territory with no federal representation. may I also present to you the United Fruit Company and Nestle. or at least their model.
Canadians wouldn’t have rights in the US, we’d live under a Quisling government for a hundred years or more while the territory is slowly “assimilated” into “American customs”. while Corporations would pilfer the resources and workforce here at gunpoint. maybe after 80-100 years, a couple of small regions would be carved out into new states. but make no mistake, it’d be sold as a prosperous unificaiton, and the receipt would read “Military Occupation and bloody insurgency”
xmunk is ours now trump
Same. This eyeballing of Canada has me a little stressed out that my life will go back to being absolute shit and I won’t have healthcare or be happy.
xmunk’s a keeper, Trump. I won’t let you have them back!!!
Jokes on you. Canada is still in America
Canada can come down here and burn down the White House. Again.
I’ll provide the marshmallows.
Pretty sure that was the British
just looked it up, it was the british. in an operation led by (drumroll please): rear-admiral george cockburn. i didnt read further and now believe he incinerated the whitehouse with his power of dick rashes
There’s a great song about him called The Man who Burned the a White House Down by David Rovics
I prefer Elizabeth May’s invitation to California, Oregon and Washington.
USA can stay red, impoverished and ignorant. The adults in the room can get on with Nation Building.
Maybe BC would go there to form Cascadia.
ON and MB would join up with IL, MI, WL and MN.
Maritime Provinces & NL would go with New England.
Quebec would finally gain independence. And the territories would have to accept their new reality.
AB can fuck off.
I feel like I am forgetting one… whatever.
I feel like I’m forgetting one… whatever.
sad Saskatchewan noises
(S’ok, I can’t hear them either over the Scott Moe Killed a Woman Due to Recklessness)
As an Alberta I resent the accuracy of your assessment…
Not a snowballs chance in… in… Canada?
Those are actually decent odds.
“What do they want from me? I’m good-natured. I’m good-hearted. I’m good-looking. Every day, I’m out there trying to make the world safe. For
GermanyAmerica. I don’t want war. All I want is peace. Peace.[singing and dance number start]
A little piece of
PolandCanada, A little piece ofFranceGreenland, A little piece of …”I immediately went to “Mambo No 5.”
A little bit of Canada in my life
A little bit of Mexico by my side
A little bit of Greenland is all I need
A little bit of Putin’s what i see
The irony that if the reverse happened so much would actually improve for the ex-Americans, Canada, and most of the World.
Only the northern border and the coasts. The rest is pretty unfixable.
I volunteer Washington state as tribute!
Utah can fuck off too. The mormons at least.
That beautiful land is wasted on them.
East Coast to a point, before you hit the Carolinas would be where I’d draw the line.
Is there a reason that you only post government-funded news websites?
What news websites would you recommend for Canadian news that have not received government funding?
A registered non-profit who posts their yearly financial records publicly like True North news
Government funded news is more trustworthy than that rag.
Damn I missed the notification for this, and now the comment is deleted. Even though mine was a rhetorical question I was still morbidly curious what sort of garbage this troll was consuming.
CTV news is part of bell Canada, it’s not government funded.
Bell recieved government money. Bell is part of the group that rexeieved $600 million in government money that paid news companies. Look at their financials. CTV, Global News, every single newspaper in Canada, would not be what they are without government handing out cash.
There are zero news organizations who got part of that $600 million who critcize Trudeau and criticize the Liberal party. So you are only reading government funded sources for news.
There isn’t a news outlet in Canada that isn’t government-subsidized in some shape or form by that measure. Even non-profits are, via direct tax exemptions, or tax exemptions given to their donors.
Literally the first political opinion on that site ctritizes Trudeau https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/tom-mulcair-prime-minister-justin-trudeau-s-train-wreck-of-a-final-act-1.7154855
That are doing that because of polls, not because they believe it. Search for something from CTV from 3 years ago criticizing the Liberal party and criticizing Trudeau.
“They don’t criticize Trudeau, and if someone instantly shows I’m wrong, well, that doesn’t count!” -You, a very serious person.
They are swinging that way because of polls to try to get viewer numbers up, it’s not being done out of principal. Find something from CTV from 3 years ago criticizing the Liberal party, criticizing Trudeau.
I received a $400 cheque from the Alberta government one time. Feels good to be government funded!
That’s exactly what a government funded shill would say!
WHY DID RALPH SEND YOU?
I don’t think that assertion is true, so I did some quick googling.
For example PostMedia received 35 million in government funds in 2021 according to pressprogress
Searching through Government of Canada Grants and Contributions you can find lots of public funds. here
My two cents, if it very important we as a society publicly fund Canadian news organizations to help keep them, fair, balanced and, trustworthy as it can be from both sides of the spectrum.
Why do people who talk about fair and balanced news never defend or support the existance of conservative media and use stunted childish name calling of libertarian views. For the record, there is no such thing as “far right” you mental case, unless you talking about taking power away from fovernment, eliminate all taxes, eliminate all regulations, eliminare government programs, shutdown government departments.
For the record, there is no such thing as “far right” you mental case
Nazis never existed. Fascism is imaginary. You heard it here first!
For the record, there is no such thing as “far right” you mental case
Considering nobody said anything about the “far right” I can only conclude you’re not interested in listening to what people are actually saying and are just screaming from your soap box.
Lol I’m so glad you’re not in a position to articulate policy directions on my behalf. Holy freaking god. Our education system. It just…failed you.
I am aware of the legal right to publicly insult trans peole and publicly mock gay people, that is a protected right.
I’m a little confused who you are talking to and the points you are trying to make.
My statement was a rebuke of your assertion that only left leaning media gets public funds, of which I think I showed wasn’t true.
For the record there is such a thing as the far-right just like there is such a thing as the far-left.
It’s also amusing you complain about childish name calling and then proceed to do just that.
Not worth talking to them. They’re either deliberately trolling or incapable of coherent thought, or both.
Well they got banned so I guess I don’t have to worry about that anymore. lol
I don’t engage with them often, and I’ll admit it can be frustrating. I’m making a conscious effort to connect with people who hold different ideas or worldviews, Like a new years resolution.
They do have to “agree” to meet in reality though.
Well thats worse
Au contraire, mon ami. BCE is one of very few (4), select, federally enforced, communications oligarchies.
Through their spuriously “independent” federal regulatory arm (CRTC), and their federally funded enforcement arm (CITT), BCE has enjoyed government funding and protections for over a century.
Saying BCE is somehow NOT government supported naïve at best. It is a facile and superficial assessment of a deeply embedded federally funded entity.
Truly a shallow read, there, BlameThePeacock.
What are we smoking that CTV is government-funded? Or is it lack of reading past the title? Because last I checked Bell Media isn’t the Canadian government.
Would be curious and sad if the new premiere campaigned on a position of strength and willingness to defy the orange fuhrer, only to end up grovelling like all those before him.
“In the 21st century, war was still waged over the resources that could be acquired. Only this time, the spoils of war were also its weapons: Petroleum and Uranium. For these resources, China would invade Alaska, the US would annex Canada, and the European Commonwealth would dissolve into quarreling, bickering nation-states, bent on controlling the last remaining resources on Earth.”
“Is it supposed to be bigger than your thumb, or mine…?”
“annex” implies they actually have a claim on Canada. It would be an invasion.
And in such an invasion, you’d best believe that the European nations would love to come to Canada’s aid because a) They will also be needing the resources, and b) They like us a hell of a lot more than they like the U.S.
So no…a U.S invasion wouldn’t be an annexation, it would be the U.S. getting it’s shit kicked in by virtually every country in the world coming to Canada’s defence.
Alternative timeline…
Many European nations want to fight to defend Canada but can not unite in this purpose as many nations consider how it will benefit them to come out having supported the winning side. Others because they don’t want to fight against a nation with such a powerful military.
During the ongoing debate on what to do, America completes its invasion of Canada and declares it an Annexation and gives anyone who objects to this in Canada the old American highschool treatment.
However, if America’s attempt at Annexation began because Canada began pursuing greater economic ties with Europe in an attempt to distance themselves from the United States, then it changes Europe’s reaction.
Canada spent the last few years building their own refineries so as to not be dependent on the United States, allowing them more freedom as to who and where they sell their oil. They’ve fortified their power grid and increased their military spending. They’ve even made some overtures towards ratifying a more formal relationship with the EU because their vast resource wealth gives them bargaining power, which opens up the possibility of EU nukes on Canada’s southern border.
America feeling threatened by that is what ignites the attempt at annexation. EU’s response wouldn’t be so fractured in that case because their very existence relies on having Canada’s resources.
(This is all alternative history of course. But it’s a fun game to play)
And no, America wouldn’t be “The winning side” in a war against every other developed nation. They are the largest single military, yes. But put enough countries together in what we’ll call a “coalition of the anti-dickhead-president”, who are both fighting physically AND embargoing them financially, they wouldn’t have a chance in the long run. Canada’s first move is to flip a switch in Quebec and cut the power to the entire eastern seaboard. They’re second move is to shut the pipelines to the American refineries.
Even the largest military runs on oil. The U.S. is far more dependent on the rest of the world than it thinks. It essentially maintains it’s military supremacy at the whim of the rest of the world, not despite it.
and America inherits an insurgency of people that effortlessly blends in to its own population, and pikachu faces as “terroist” attacks from Canadian sympathisers and Enraged Moderates and Democrat leaning types decide that its time for a civil war against the Tyrannic regime.
It’d be the US kicking everyone elses shit in, until the British and French let the nukes fly, I hate to break it to you but the US is multitudes more powerful than the rest of NATO, NATO can still burn the US, but they’ll burn with it. Same goes for Russia.
conventionally, the US is the world hegemon as far as naval and air power goes, they are unbeatable.
what the US doesn’t have the stomach for , is occupation. they were defeated by mountain men with 70 year old Kalashnikovs on the other side of the world, who were so culturally different from them they might as well have been aliens, Just imagine what it’d be like against an enemy on your doorstep that looks and talks just like you. that you cant tell from your own. Wait, you dont’ even need to imagine, because it already happened, Look at how Russia’s occupation was torn apart by the Ukrainian resistance. The only way they ever secure land is by bombing it to dust and moving in.
and unlike Russia, America has a formidable faction within its own borders who would revolt and start a civil war if the Trump/MAGA administration became hostile to America’s friends and allies.
conventionally, the US is the world hegemon as far as naval and air power goes, they are unbeatable.
I see what you’re saying. But that Hegemony is based entirely on military bases spread on foreign soil in countries who would immediately upon the start of hostilities annex them. No one “individual” American military base could possibly win a battle surrounded by a suddenly hostile foreign country that they now find themselves an enclave in. Just like that…within days, American’s global reach would vanish (with the exception of naval power of course)
We’re going to have to agree to disagree on this one. It’s a great discussion to have, though I’d never like to see it proven one way or another.
I was speaing from the point of view as someone in north america having to deal with american aggression, Yeah the US would lose its bases across the world in short order, but No one is going to be able to come to the aid of Canada or Mexico if they were invaded. Not as long as the US still has the USN,
and the next two largest Navies, are also states Canada would never accept help from, Russia and China… China is a hard sell, if America was hostile, and China extended a hand, yeah there’d be strings attached, If it were my choice, I’d take it if it meant it was Only Chinese assistance. Russian on the other hand, The Russian ideology is incompatible with life as we know it, I’d rather go down fighting than ever shake hands with Z-Nazis who I personally believe are the ringmasters of this entire world crisis with America turning the way it is.
(also a good portion of the Russian navy is creating a coral reef at the bottom of the black sea, where it belongs)
There would be a problem of “you go first…”
If the US became Imperialistic, and I mean old-school Imperial, non of this new age cultural or economic imperialism, then they could probably “take” their first conquest or two without much opposition. In this case Canada and Greenland would probably fall to US occupation.
It’s what would happen next that would destroy the American Empire. Everything you said is true, and every one of the US’s allies would wonder if they are next. If Canada, the US’s closest ally for generations cannot trust the US who can? The clear answer is no one. I would expect a swift unravelling of the global order. The EU would be an interesting case. With a belligerent (but failing) Russia to the East, and their long standing guarantor of peace suddenly no better, would it crack under the stress or would something more capable emerge?
It’s a horrific dystopian future we face, the entire globe would be plunged into an era of increased tension and military spending in the best case.
The current US “empire” has shown that buying something is cheaper and more beneficial than conquering something. In a few short years Trump might effectively vastly increase the cost of power from Canadian hydro facilities and at the same time scare away any others that would do business with them.
For now…
Once PP gets the reigns, Trump will just push him around like the spineless demagogue he is. …just a ‘lesser Trump’. Canada will be sold out by PP. Mark my words.
