Hello all, it is with a heavy heart that I must admit that I have become the drama that I always sought to avoid for this server. In this case, I could easily let sleeping dogs lie, but I’m somewhat exhausted and I don’t really see the point of continuing here if there isn’t some semblance of justice or rational thought to be found. More to the point, if Lemmy continues to display outright hostility and toxicity towards Americans at every turn, there is virtually no chance that this platform will ever develop beyond its current fringe status.
Although this server is based in Canada, I think we probably have a good number of Americans, and also despite recent events I think Canadians and Americans are fairly similar and have historically gotten along quite well with one another. I’m curious if a more diverse array of people will find any value in my actions, or if I’m truly just shouting into the wind. Strap in, because this is gonna be a long one.
This all started yesterday when @DankOfAmerica@reddthat.com made a post to AskLemmy. The original post read as follows.
I responded here. I had indeed noticed the constant derisive comments regarding Americans, although I didn’t agree with the assumption that such comments were made by Russian/Chinese agents, and stated as much.
In my view, the responses to both OP and myself in that thread constitute clear evidence that at least one of our assumptions was true. In response to being called out on their hateful behavior, a number of users proceeded to double down, attempting to gaslight myself and OP and even suggesting that we were actually the Russian spies 🕵️♂️
Several hours later, one of our users decided to make a post “exposing” my behavior on !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com. Despite the fact that I hadn’t utilized any moderator powers during this saga, he found my words to be offensive enough to post on said community. The post was eventually removed because it was unsuitable for the community, but not before I had replied in defense of myself. This was unfortunate, although understandable, because I felt that my response was something that Lemmy users could benefit from hearing.
I made this post because I want my fellow sh.itjust.works users to judge whether my actions and thoughts were reasonable, and I also want to expose this individual for what they are. My first option was !fediverselore@lemmy.ca, but it’s not allowed to post drama that you’re involved in. Also, I’m not really looking for the opinions of people who subscribe to drama communities on Lemmy, but rather the opinions of the average sh.itjust.works user. So here’s the screenshot of the removed post.
Here’s my reply.
It’ll probably be easier reading if you go to my profile and/or his profile. Although the post was deleted, the comments should still appear in our profiles.
To summarize, this user bullied a brand new user into deleting their account, responding to an innocent, highly upvoted meme with this comment
He let’s me freely hang out at his nice place full of amenities so I can’t badmouth him
Lmfao, no, you can, you just like the taste of boot, and the benefits he gives you (that he only has because he exploits people like you) too much to.
Also, those last two points in the meme, as well as this being your only post on a new account strongly suggest that this is a troll, or at the very least, a really sad LARP, rather than observations made by someone who has ever spent any time at all with any actual rich people.
Two days later, he decided to call me out for mod abuse, despite the fact that I hadn’t removed a single comment of his. Now he’s decided to move over to lemmy.dbzer0.com, thank goodness.
But overall, aside from the specifics of this drama, I also want y’all to render judgment on whether or not Lemmy tends to exhibit a toxic attitude towards Americans. Notice that I said Americans, not America. I don’t give a shit if people criticize and blatantly shit on America for the decisions that our government makes. But it’s far too often that Lemmy users go beyond that line and decide to hurl personal insults towards Americans, often in completely non-political communities. I’ve always had thick skin and an open mind, so if I’m getting annoyed by it, my assumption is that most other Americans will find it intolerable. And although we don’t need to be a majority American site by any means, the sheer numbers dictate that if Americans find this site intolerable, it will never achieve mainstream success.
And if I hear one more fucking person say that America only joined World War 2 after it was already over, or that we were cowards for not joining sooner, I swear to God I’ma start criticizing the metric system again 😂
I have to say, the first paragraph of your reply does not give the impression that you want to argue in good faith…
I agree wholeheartedly. My assumption was that such behavior was simply a symptom of the relatively larger proportion of Europeans on this site, and their obvious jealousy and insecurity regarding Americans. I still believe that is the most likely explanation.
That sounds like you think all Europeans are jealous of Americans, and that they have good reason to. It comes off as troll-ish at the very least.
I wasn’t arguing, I was agreeing with the OP and suggesting that rather than Russian/Chinese agents, there was a more likely source of the hatred.
I don’t think all Europeans are anything, they are a very diverse group. I’m just trying to understand why people act the way they do on Lemmy, based on what I’ve observed over the past year or so. When you see aggresively angry takes being highly upvoted in random threads for seemingly no reason, you search for a psychological rationale, and that was my conclusion. As I said, I would be salty about America too, if I wasn’t born here. We’re fucking up big time, and the rest of the world is along for the ride. But berating people on Lemmy isn’t likely to change anything for the better.
I know that I could have come off more diplomatically, but it’s a bit rich to accuse me of trolling for reacting strongly to a slew of personal insults and attacks that never seems to end. You’re lucky that I even bother to respond, unlike the thousands of Americans who silently perceived that they weren’t welcome on this site and slunk back to reddit.
I’m trying to help you understand how you’re making people feel, regardless of whether your behavior is caused by jealousy or some other emotion. The constant picking apart of my words without addressing the meat of my argument is exhausting, and everyone has a breaking point where they just don’t wanna deal with it anymore.
Would you care to speculate how your psychoanalysis of Internet commenters leading you to describe them with what would generally be regarded as personal insults–jealous, insecure, immature, assholes, smug bastards, emotional–makes people feel? In this discussion about how you desire for people to be nicer to each other, it’s worth considering.
To be clear, toxic people are majorly unpleasant and you’re right to call people out for throwing around personal insults in a place where we hopefully all want to come to have to or see civil interactions and maybe sometimes have a bit of fun.
You’re right, I know that I might appear to be hitting out at a lot of people who don’t deserve it with my comments. I should probably never use the term Europeans again, because it’s far too generalized and it makes it seem like an us vs. them situation, which is not my intention. But that was the most accurate term I could come up with.
I know that it’s not Americans who are claiming that we didn’t do shit in WWII and so on. I know it’s not Americans who are clutching their pearls when I declare that America has an overwhelming influence over global geopolitics. It’s people who are reading ulterior motives into my words that are actually coming from their own subconscious insecurities and biases.
Anyways, that was a fair and reasonable response on your part, and I commend you for it.
Not from sh.itjust.works
But I think that user (@DankOfAmerica@reddthat.com) just saw a bunch of posts from lemmygrad or hexbear and concluded that “Lemmy is Anti-American”, which is not true at all. Lemmy users criticize the US, but (other than the aforementioned tankies) aren’t hating on Americans. (At least, that’s my experience.)
I’m somewhat on the outside of this, am aware of a bit but not following super close.
But the moment I read
Hello all, it is with a heavy heart that I must admit that I have become the drama that I always sought to avoid for this server.
– Yeah, you’re fine.
Simply being in a position of authority, even if you are not using that authority, will make you a target for rabble-rousers. On internet forums, the Venn diagram between “people who need to be moderated” and “people who will raise hell about mod actions” has a huge amount of overlap. There’s kind of no avoiding catching hell as a forum mod.
I find people who’s personality is “anti-X” or “fuck-Y” are usually not enjoyable to be around.
There’s plenty of those on Lemmy, yes. But thankfully just a loud minority. Banning them (as a user), made Lemmy much more enjoyable.
Then better ban all of Europe. Right now America is giving us even more reason to be anti-American.
Create your own little echo chamber where you can convince yourself America doesn’t deserve every bit of anti-American hate it’s getting.
Then better ban all of Europe. Right now America is giving us even more reason to be anti-American.
Aren’t there several European countries with the problem of far-right parties gaining power in their governments? Germany literally just stripped firearm rights from their version of these groups earlier this week
Girl, I’m from Belgium :)
It takes quite the ego to pretend to speak for all of europe
Well, I never said there weren’t also right-wing losers in Europe. The only reason why someone like Musk can make an attempt at getting his little claws in here is because there are a few “sympathetic” voices around.
It’s up to the majority, then, to collectively stick up their middle fingers and say fuck off!
You’re free to join them, if you like Americans so much.
So you agree that as a product of South Africa, Musk is ultimately the fault of the Dutch.
The Dutch from several centuries ago, perhaps. But Muskrat should be held accountable for his own actions.
I’m from Belgium
No you’re not. Everyone knows Belgium doesn’t exist, especially Belgians.
Then where does their chocolate come from?!
Switzerland
Please be my first Belgian friend, you don’t have to give me lambics or anything.
So, you want the opinion of an average sh.itjustworks user? Well, here it comes.
First and foremost, I think you should let it go and calm down. I know from personal experience, arguing with strangers on the internet can be exhausting and it can rile you up. It’s not worth it.
And I’ve noticed an increase in inciteful troll posts on Lemmy in the past few days. The goal of those is to destroy the community by sowing division and hatred and these posts seem to come from both sides of the political spectrum. It doesn’t really matter what political flavor the content seems to be because the purpose is simply to break things. Those are troll posts and the content is designed to provoke anger and hatred. We should be careful not to fall into this trap, as an international community.
Thank you, that’s a balanced take and I appreciate the advice.
I can’t think of anything more american than complaining about anti-american bias while accusing everyone else of just being jealous
Thank God, they bought it - Russian agent imaqtpie
I imagine we would have seen something similar directed at Germany if the internet had been around during the rise of Hitler.
Or Russians if they invaded their neighbors
The attacks and humiliation are pretty much exactly what happened to Germany after WWI and lead directly to the rise of the Nazis. The Nazis convinced the Germans that the weimar Republic was too weak for putting up with BRAT from the treaty of Versailles, created scapegoats, and then offered simple solutions to deal with them. Almost exactly what is happening right now in the US.
See also: Palpatine and the galactic Republic.
I’ve almost stopped using Lemmy because of the kind of content you’re describing. I’ve never even told anyone I use Lemmy because I don’t want them to judge me by association. The politics on here is extremist, hateful, divisive, and non-fucking-stop.
I disagree that it’s not CCP/Kremlin bots and shills. I think a LOT of it is. Without ongoing support from those malicious authoritarian governments, Lemmy.ml, lemmygrad, and Hexbear would have half the content and engagement.
You got a point, it is difficult to sort out the bots from the tankies when it comes to international political content here or on lemmy.world. I don’t want to yell at tankies any more, they are real humans who are literally earning their bread.
Yeah I don’t want to yell at tankies either. They’re generally trying to do the right thing, but unfortunately a combination of ignorance and arrogance means they’re causing harm instead.
But the paid shills, fuck them. I hope they die in a drone attack as Ukrainians defend themselves from the sociopaths in the Kremlin.
Yeah it’s bad, so bad that even trying to call it out gets you attacked. I definitely agree that there could be shills, but surely there have to be more real users than shills? In which case we just have to make sure that the real users don’t fall victim to the divisive tactics of the shills. I haven’t given up yet, I’m a stubborn bastard.
Agreed, seems there are more real users than shills/bots, and I try to avoid fighting them. If you take a little time and tag users you suspect of spreading misinformation, it gets pretty easy to identify the frequent offenders pushing Kremlin/CCP talking points.
Have you tried blocking political and news communities? That helps to reduce this kind of content
I’ve intentionally left it unblocked because I want to do my part to make the fediverse succeed. But at this point that might be the best approach. I’ll probably do that or just leave.
For what it’s worth, I’ve always appreciated your positive and helpful contributions here. If Lemmy was full of users like you it would be fantastic.
Hopefully that allows you to stay. I recently posted a list of 20 non political communities on !newcommunities@lemmy.world if that can help
Thank you for your nice comment!
While you are probably correct that criticism of the USA (and of its citizens) pops up too often in unrelated topics, I think that you are basically just discovering what it is to not be the ultra dominant demographics on a platform. It doesn’t mean it’s right or anything, everyone should strive to make Lemmy a welcoming place, but it’s certainly going to take work on both sides. That said, I would like you to re-read some of what you wrote:
and their obvious jealousy and insecurity regarding Americans
For one thing, my command of the English language rules that out, which isn’t something I can say about many of you.
America controls the world, and Europeans are salty about it. I didn’t even realize how salty until I started using Lemmy
I swear to God I’ma start criticizing the metric system again
The amount of condescension dripping from your comments is frankly off the chart, and you should maybe take a minute to ponder whether you are actually behaving as you preach, rather than just being in your own American circlejerk, as you might have called it had the shoe been on the other foot.
In any way, being an admin/mod is a thankless task, so I for one appreciate you for doing that, and maybe everyone can learn a bit from sharing a community.
You might be on to something with the demographic make-up of the platform. There are a lot of users from countries outside the US and for Americans used to seeing the opinions, primarily, of other Americans being the norm, it can seem like an attack on the country and their colossal fuck-ups recently are an attack on Americans, themselves.
It seems similar to the backlash felt by a lot of minorities when given rights closer to, or equal of, whites in this country. I don’t have a pony in this race, but it seems this is just human nature. We just don’t like competition and American exceptionalism is ingrained in almost every school book we are presented with.
That being said, I think you could point to some people being assholes to others. Just as I don’t blame all citizens of Jerusalem for the genocide in Gaza, nor all Russians for the invasion of Ukraine, nor all Americans for tRump, I think some people equate the citizen with the government like some sort of sports rivalry or deeply ingrained tribalism.
This is, however, just the opinion of an American who took off their rose-colored, exceptionalism glasses a long time ago.
“When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.”
There’s for sure some of that conflation happening, but I don’t think it can be ascribed to any particular group, it’s just a bad habit/process a lot of people use regardless of where they’re from. I don’t have a solution for that, and I doubt it’s something you can correct on an online social media platform.
Assholes will be assholes, we don’t need to put them in an American or euro or whatever else case to recognize them as such and deal with them.
That’s fair, but somehow I never seem to see hatred directed towards any other nationality on Lemmy, aside from Americans. It seems like such behavior would inevitably be downvoted, as it should be.
But when it comes to Americans, it’s open season for people to take pot shots, and it always gets upvoted regardless of its accuracy.
I was being condescending at times, because people were throwing around insane accusations of me being a russian plant and refusing to acknowledge any validity to the complaints being voiced. Why shouldn’t I condescend those who spread senseless vitriol for no apparent reason? They deserve to be criticized and mocked, because that’s exactly what they’re doing to other people. The dude I was talking to literally bullied one of my users into deleting their account, then tried to put me on blast for no reason. I have more than enough justification to treat people such as those with disdain.
You all seem to implicitly think I’m somehow proud or bragging about America being the largest economic and military force in the world. That’s not even remotely the case, I think it’s entirely fucked. But that’s the world we live in. I’m just trying to explain what I’ve experienced and observed here, and understand what is causing that behavior.
I’ve read plenty cricism of the US, China, Russia, Mexico and some of canada, Ukraine, France, Spain, Germany, Denmark, Norway, India, Australia, Taiwan, Japan, Brazil, Venezuela. Those I can think on top of my head.
If you don’t see any hatred against anything besides the US, without trying to be too disrespectful, open your eyes.
I never seem to see hatred directed towards any other nationality on Lemmy, aside from Americans.
French bashing from 9 days ago: https://feddit.org/post/6408713/3945015
Just remember this one, I can find out countless other examples when I have more time
The dude I was talking to literally bullied one of my users into deleting their account, then tried to put me on blast for no reason.
If there was such heavy bullying, how come that this user didn’t get banned from SJW?
They deserve to be criticized and mocked, because that’s exactly what they’re doing to other people.
Just to make sure: because one of your users bullied another one, you made a derogatory statement towards a whole content?
But when it comes to Americans, it’s open season for people to take pot shots, and it always gets upvoted regardless of its accuracy.
It was once possible to see the rise of fascism in the United States as something that was being amplified by media, amplified by foreign influence, amplified by propaganda, amplified by whoever made the most noise on Facebook.
Then the election happened, and Trump won. The reality that Americans as a whole are much shittier than previously imagined became undeniable, and that has really upset a lot of people’s worldview (myself included).
Trump’s federal cases got dismissed, and now his sentence for 34 felonies in New York State is “go on your merry way.” Fascism isn’t looming in the distance somewhere anymore; it’s literally eight days away as of this writing.
So yeah, it’s open season for people to take pot shots, especially when the US has been promoting itself on the world stage for decades as the height of moral superiority. And it’s very easy for people to conflate “Americans” with “an American”. If a specific person in a specific context is making that kind of conflatory (yeah, that’s a word) mistake continually, I may point it out, but I generally understand and I’m willing to give it a pass for the moment.
Yeah. You never know which type of American you have, but I’d guess the correlation of being on Lemmy is more likely someone that did not vote for fascism. I definitely understand citizens of other countries being bitter and/or upset.
I’d guess the correlation of being on Lemmy is more likely someone that did not vote for fascism.
And honestly, imo, more likely to criticize the US as an American. A lot of the criticism on here is coming from inside the country.
That’s fair, but somehow I never seem to see hatred directed towards any other nationality on Lemmy, aside from Americans.
You might just not hang out in the right places to see it, but anywhere there’s a European political community, you will see plenty of shit talk and hate and blame being thrown around, especially towards the bigger euro countries like Germany, France and the UK (though not limited to).
I’m not saying there isn’t a good explanation as to why you might have been condescending, or that you are a dumb proud maga American, or anything of the sort, but keep in mind that we can’t guess what you might be thinking, all we have to go on is what you write and some of it that I highlighted does make you look a certain way.
anywhere there’s a European political community, you will see plenty of shit talk and hate and blame being thrown around, especially towards the bigger euro countries like Germany, France and the UK (though not limited to).
Also, those communities discuss in their own language, that OP probably doesn’t read
I think this shouldn’t underestimated. Even as someone fluent in English I am much more likely to criticize my own country and/or neighboring countries relevant to my own country’s politics in my country’s language than in English.
I think this comment you replied to summarizes things well.
I’ll reiterate here that pot shots towards Americans would generally be “punching up” in some contexts, which usually isn’t as frowned upon as punching down.
Also consider that it could be, uh…self-punching? It could be Americans poking fun at themselves, being unhappy with the current state of the country (and who is set to become president – Elon Musk as vizier, with Trump returning for the pictures).
Yea I’m sure there are a lot of Americans hating on ourselves, the type of Americans who use Lemmy tend to be pretty pissed off at the direction of the country. But it still contributes to a really exhausting, depressing atomosphere at times. Not to mention unbalanced/biased
It can certainly be depressing at times but on the other hand not nearly as depressing as a complete disconnect between the bleak reality you observe yourself and overly positive portrayal in media (social or otherwise).
It doesn’t need to be a competition.
That’s fair, but somehow I never seem to see hatred directed towards any other nationality on Lemmy, aside from Americans
Because you only speak English, not German, Dutch, Italian or French (or at least, aren’t actively posting in those communities with this account). And, rather ironically, that’s a very common thing to see in Americans.
I’ve never seen a German post about how few people are commenting on (negative) events in Sweden, because they realize that most people commenting on Swedish events are Swedes are posting in Swedish, in Swedish forums, and not Germans posting in German in German forums, except when it occasionally makes the German newpapers.
That’s a decent argument, but America isn’t the only nationality that speaks English natively. Canada, NZ, Britain, Ireland, Australia all exist and the type of behavior I’m talking about doesn’t get directed towards them. Furthermore, English is the primary language of internet discourse. Lemmy has potential to move beyond that paradigm, but the vast majority of content still remains in English, and the vast majority of users speak English, even if it’s not their native language.
More importantly, I want to clarify my meaning, because you seem to be misinterpreting. People commenting on negative events in America is fine with me, I have no problem with that. It’s when people say crazy out of pocket shit in unrelated threads and get upvoted for it that I become annoyed.
I didn’t want to put anyone specific on trial here, so I didn’t mention it until now, but there was one specific user who provides a good example of this behavior. A few months ago I rebuked him for his constant insults and hating on Americans. I was able to find dozens of aggressive, insensitive comments that he had just made within the previous couple weeks. I won’t name him in this comment, but if you read through this thread you’ll know.
https://sh.itjust.works/post/26023070/14232483
First of all, note the 10 downvotes u/ferret received for making the simple, factual observation that the US has the largest population of English speakers in the world by a significant margin. That seems a bit unwarranted, no?
Then, when I provide the evidence of this user’s persistent toxicity towards Americans at the end of the thread, everybody who was downvoting us suddenly fades into the woodwork and pretends it never happened. That’s fucking gaslighting, people talk mad shit and then when they get called out they just run away and act like it never happened. I’m gonna transcribe that vitriol again, because I’m sick of people acting like I’m being super sensitive and it’s only because of my American privilege and it’s just the same shit that other nationalities deal with. It’s not normal, it’s abusive and pathological hatred and it’s only acceptable when directed towards Americans.
spoiler
Glock pistols popular in US because of the proliferation of fucking cowards
Scared of their own fucking shadows, those pussies
What’s the difference between a cow and 9/11
You’d stop milking a cow after 23 years
Seems a bit unnecessary when you could just dress the ivy up like schoolkids and the yanks would wipe it out in a week
German
I’m guessing a yank whose great great great great great great grandfather once wiped his cock on a strudel
They’re using American weapons, they should just aim for schools
Holy fuck, yanks are weird
God I’d hate to have such poor reading comprehension. You’d last about a minute in UK based communities lol
You’re not out of the dark ages, you quivering shitebag lol
You mean prison slavery? That’s the US, get on it lol
Did it come out of the States?
If so, guaranteed utter fucking horseshit
You can punch your hand through your plasterboard mate lol
You can always spot an American because they’re so fuckin scared of everything. Look, this one’s scared of his own shite 😂
Of course!
Just lose the -
- Guns
- Tiny-penis trucks
- the “right” to hate-speech
- the religious weirdo thing
And you’ll be getting close to the 20th century!
Know how yous get upset when people say “Americans are stupid”
Literally a third of you have demonstrated that you’d eat gravel if someone said it’d cure immigrants
A third. So lets just say only half of the other two thirds are stupid
That’s quite a few. Almost a quarter pounder
Yous cunts are greedy to the point of being fuckin EVIL
That’s just… evil, taking money from poor folk and their kids
How are yous letting evil cunts do this to your fellow citizens? How are you not fucking getting the flaming torches out?
Selfish fucking cunts, the lot of you. Stand up for not just yourselves, for all of yous
The bot is only “spreading misinformation” to people who are too stupid to realise that “left” and “right” mean politically different things in different countries
Mostly the yanks
I feel really sorry for this guy
What kind of unhinged parents call their kid Tyreek?
Again, that’s just from a single user over a period of 2-3 weeks. This kind of attitude is pervasive across Lemmy, and it’s a big problem because it drives away a lot of potential users.
See if you can find me an example of another Lemmy user who is on a crusade like that against a different nationality. Not just a reasonable criticism of a political or economic event, but someone who is actively going out of their way to insult and berate one specific nationality. Because I’d wager I could find dozens more lemmings that constantly act that way towards Americans if I really wanted to.
For me, as an American, it’s easier for me to criticize America. I’m familiar with it and I can bring receipts. I will criticize certain actions of other countries but it feels wrong to start generalizing as I have neither the knowledge or experience of their day-to-day, culture, politics, etc.
Good comment.
Reminds of when LW realized their instance is not hosted in the USA but managed by a Dutch team using a German provider on Finnish servers.
As always, !AskUSA@discuss.online for US specific conversations.
You cannot have an opinion on Europe and Europeans that is not glowing on this platform. They will come for while accusini Americans, the Chinese and others of being the problem.
That is because Europe is the only perfect country in the world, of course! /s
Notice that I said Americans, not America
I don’t see any crticism of Americans on here, though I could not read your fine print, and I need to preface the rest of what I will say with I want the best for Americans.
And if I hear one more fucking person say that America only joined World War 2 after it was already over
That is an act that America did, and it was definitely motivated by ensuring control over Germany instead of USSR. No Americans were offered the freedom to not storm Normandy. Your lead comment of “Chinese/Russian agents” behind your angst is also something America would say.
That Americans/Westoids trust America in its justification for war on Russia and future war on China, that they trust America after an election where both parties conspired to elect Netanyahu’s favorite for genocide, is a problem Americans are too powerless to stop. A defining characteristic of Americans/westoids is being misinformed as a result of their trust of, and identity wrapped up in an evil America.
There is a strong likelihood that what you perceive as toxicity to Americans is toxicity towards those defending their trust of America.
I still prefer SJW to any other instance, because of threads just like this, afascinating discussion regardless of the foaming at the mouth replies about temporary political trends, like who’s president. I’ve found much more of anti-religious bias at SJW over the years. I just assume that the poster or commenter is either very young or very old and move on with my day. The young will grow up and lose their suspicions by gaining life experience and meeting those practicing different faiths. However, I don’t care about insults/bitterness towards fellow Americans.
I still prefer SJW to any other instance
o_O I hadn’t noticed that acronym before now.
Can’t go back now. Sorry, yo
just saw this scrolling on all or whatever, first i will say yeah, lemmy is fairly anti american, as an american, i hate the people here too, i really don’t see very much content where ppl are hyping their own countries though, i think the general sentiment is that we all are p fucked at the moment and i think most would agree that it comes down to corporatism, imperialism or nationalism, and great marketing that makes some people feel safe enough, secondly, i grew up with the explicit reverence of our isolationist war view as well and how cool and honorable it all ended up for us, 400k i will fucking laugh at for that one sorry, it really did suck all around, but later i was lucky enough to be taught just how america got fucked over with it and all the propaganda that came out of the aftermath, it was mainly economic w war reparation debt being cycled in a way that really fucked america into making their whole front the economic greatness that followed and it’s uncouth to talk about where any of the manufacturing power to create these cheap goods came from, but also third where i disagree, as someone raised on so many different alternate social media sites growing up, there’s always a more obscure image board, but to doubt the possibility of government media on your chosen board is irreverent to the point of sacrilegious, you’ll see it happen time and time again i’m sure as the way things go, grow up
Drama is inevitable when you connect enough people.
As an American, that has endless criticism for the countless wrongs in America, I haven’t noticed much issue. I suppose if I was a patriot or maga fan, maybe I’d be more uncomfortable here.
I had seen a wave of divisive Russian posters in Reddit 6-7 years ago, usually with trump memes. I haven’t noticed that here, probably because trolls get fed better elsewhere.
Thanks for what you do, often no good deeds happen without criticism.
Too online. No comments against Americans actually matter, none of this matters
