• Lantern@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    Honestly, it’s the terrible content moderation policies that are going to kill YouTube, not a certain type of video.

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      11 months ago

      Bingo. I don’t find shorts all that appealing (especially since I can’t cast them to a TV! Wtf, seems like core function there) but I agree, the REAL problem with YouTube is how much creators have to top toe around demonization.

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        11 months ago

        they’re all paying the bills by hawking raid shadow legends anyways, may as well not rely on youtube monetization anyways and host elsewhere

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      11 months ago

      I’m not even sure it is bad policies. I am pretty sure that they just don’t have moderators.

      I doubt anyone reads 99.9% of reports.

      So you get bigotry and hate, you get insane and deadly DIYs, you get 12yo girls being creeped while posting random 5s clips from their lives.

      Not to mention just the vast amount of extraordinarily low-quality content YouTube serves up. It’s amazing how bad a lot of the videos it thinks you will like are. The algorithm makes no sense.

      But hey, here’s 16 different Joe Rogan clips with sigma male music in the background.

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        11 months ago

        The algorithm seems like it is optimized for profit, not for actually being a good platform.

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          11 months ago

          That should mean engagement. It serves up such bad videos that I disengage.

          Once in a while I’ll realize I just spent 20, 30 minutes looking at a streak of pretty decent stuff. Rare enough to be remarkable. Usually after just 3 or 4 consecutive crap clips I’ll close it down and get back to work.

          I doubt anything disengages a user faster than low-quality content. I bet it does it even faster than the authoritarian politics and bigotry YouTube seems to inexorable serve you.

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            11 months ago

            If that were true, it wouldn’t be the way it is.

            Just because it causes your disengagement, doesn’t mean it causes disengagement with the vast majority of their userbase.

            They’re also more concerned with ad views and clicks, so if you’re not the kind of person who gives a crap about ads… they don’t really care that much about you.

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              11 months ago

              This is predicated on the belief that Google/YouTube is run in a 100% hyper-competent way. I don’t buy that.

              Google does things the easiest way possible to make tons of money. They make unforced errors all the damn time.

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                They don’t have to be 100% competent, but they are very competent at what they want to do… which is monetize the technologies and services they provide. They’re not trying to make something that people can use well and enjoy… they’re making things to make a shit-ton of money. The two goals are not generally mutually inclusive.

                Yours, on the other hand, is predicated on the belief that they’re all super-incompetent and have no capability of doing anything right ever… which is confusing considering they’re a multi-billion dollar company and not just some guy in a shack banging rocks together to see how they sound.

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                  Yours, on the other hand, is predicated on the belief that they’re all super-incompetent and have no capability of doing anything right ever

                  Nope. It’s only this specific thing that I necessarily think they’re doing a bad job of. And I’m right; they are. Their algorithm is a struggling baby compared to TikTok and YouTube at large is not a major profit center (and indeed may not be profitable at all – but they maintain it because abandoning it would be too costly for them).

                  TikTok is so good at doing this thing that it is a profitable business for them. YouTube is struggling, and we can clearly see why.

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                    11 months ago

                    What specific thing? The entirety of YouTube? Just the algorithm? Either way their algorithm may not be designed to do promote videos you want to watch, in reality it’s most likely designed to promote stuff that will draw them the most ad revenue and not promote really good stuff all the time. If your content is always great people will expect that and there will never be a great video, on the contrary if there is a great video among mediocre ones at best people will engage more in those (especially if they are longer and even if they have more ads), and additionally will engage more in your platform. This means that even if they aren’t making as much per video they are still making more in the long-term. And that’s really all they care about, your experience means nothing to them.

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      This Shorts issue seems to have measurable, constant and immediate effect in ad revenue and therefore platform profitability. Bad content moderation may or may not decrease engagement but in the end Google is a commercial enterprise that’s looking at the numbers at hand.

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      11 months ago

      Yup, exactly. Some of the creators I’ve seen tell some horror stories about how YouTube work. Videos being demonised for random bullshit, YouTube giving 0 support to them as it’s Googles usual behaviour.

      I feel like if some other big tech makes a decent alternative with ad revenue share it might fuck over YouTube. (And you can see how this can apply to X…)

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      11 months ago

      The terrible content moderation policies are what keep it alive. No one subscribes to youtube so it’s primary customers are the ad agencies. And they want content moderation