• floofloof@lemmy.ca
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    Not only do these people fail as allies and as compassionate human beings, but they’re also very stupid if they don’t see that defending trans rights is the front line of the fight against fascism right now. They’re not going to stop at taking rights away from trans people.

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      They can’t see that attacks on trans rights are also attacks on cis rights. I think that’s part of the reason why Rep. Zoey Zephyr and Rep. SJ Howell were so effective at stopping a couple pieces of anti-trans legislation in Montana yesterday. They talked about the fact that the legislation would potentially effect cis people as well as the fact that it’d take “parental rights” away from parents. They also did it in a way that created a narrative which both cis and trans people can identify with, creating a common ground to further convince people that the legislation was wrong. And it was successful. They got a number of Republican lawmakers to switch sides, despite the fact that the GOP prides itself on being in lockstep. They even had a Republican lawmaker make a stand too, saying that the people introducing this legislation were basically just wasting everyone’s time.

      People say, “trans rights are human rights” and they’re serious. We embody the extreme of gender non-conformity that cis people occasionally dabble in, and when you start taking away our rights, you start taking away cis rights too.

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      defending trans rights is the front line of the fight against fascism right now

      Yeah, it’s this kind of delusion why people aren’t loyal to you.

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        Nobody wants your fucking loyalty. They want you to wake the fuck up and get it through your skull that we’re all in this shithole together, and you need to start lending a hand instead of stomping on other’s backs to get yours. Because one day, you might need the rest of us to come save you too.

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          After BLM and Roe v Wade y’all expect people to all of sudden grow a spine for a ridiculously lower number of people?

          I see everywhere that trans rights are the first to fall to fascism but that’s complete BS. They’re the last.

          US progressives love to believe those lies, it gives them purpose. I’m sure the turnout next election (if there’s one) will be much higher if we keep talking about HRT instead of slavery happening in private prisons, or women dying while giving birth to their rape babies.

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          That’s not true. You people expect me to agree with you on everything or else I’m a nazi.

          If I dared to suggest we prioritize reducing the disparity in wealth over fighting a culture war, you people immediately assume I’m an enemy.

          You don’t just want loyalty, you crave it. You’re dependent on it. You get mad whenever you don’t get it and throw tantrums until you do or get rid of the person.

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            If I dared to suggest we prioritize reducing the disparity in wealth over fighting a culture war, you people immediately assume I’m an enemy.

            No, because doing one means doing the other. Who do you think is waging the culture war in the first place?

            Personally, as a trans person, I don’t want your loyalty. I don’t care about your loyalty. We don’t know one another at all so I don’t even know if you’re someone I’d actually want to hang around; and I’m not gonna ask for loyalty from a total stranger.

            What I want is for you to act like a decent human being and understand that the culture war is part of a much larger war about wealth inequality; and that you’re going to struggle if you allow your allies to slowly get picked off by the ones waging the war in the first place. If that occurred then the best you could hope for would be a pyrrhic victory that leaves you asking, “we won, but at what cost?”

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              There you go doing it again. You’re conflating your agenda with another one to make it seem like people should, say, call you a woman if they want to reduce the disparity in wealth.

              That’s a load of malarkey and proves my point even further. It’s sad how the ruling class is robbing us blind because people like you are trying to piggyback your agenda on problems that face the working class.

              Also, you personally may not want loyalty but hopefully you can recognize that you are the outlier in that regard.

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                Damn, you must be a pretty shallow-minded person to miss the fact that the culture war is perpetuated by the rich to keep us from working together. Racism, religious institutions, sexism, queerphobia, these are tools that the rich and powerful use to keep us divided. When you allow them to wage a culture war unopposed, you are letting them use their ideological “weapons of war” without retaliation.

                And no, this isn’t just about wanting to be called a woman. This is about being made illegal for who I am. I can’t fight against the wealth gap if I’m in prison for having tits and a dick, now can I? I can’t fight against the wealth gap if I’m struggling from derealization, depersonalization, dissociation, and suicidal depression brought about by crippling dysphoria as a result of being unable to access estrogen, now can I?

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                  And no, this isn’t just about wanting to be called a woman.

                  Sorry, the censorship says otherwise. You may be speaking for yourself, but the movement at large wants to control how people see others.

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                    Isn’t it good we have experts like you to tell trans people they don’t know what the trans rights movement is about?

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            Trans rights is simply human rights for trans people. It’s not a culture war issue; it’s a human rights issue.

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            If I dared to suggest we prioritize reducing the disparity in wealth over fighting a culture war

            Are you incapable of breathing and chewing bubble gum at the same time? Why not both?

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              Because they like to use “we have bigger problems to worry about” as a way of shutting down people calling attention to problems.

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                Why should I feed this homeless person in front of me when there are millions of children dying in starvation in Africa. In fact by giving food to this homeless person who is probably homeless because of his fault, I am in fact wasting food that could otherwise be across the world at this same instant so I actually won’t do anything other than finishing my burger because I’m snackish. /s

                Fuck that was hard to type but it’s not too far from how some people actually think

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            That’s not true. You people expect me to agree with you on everything or else I’m a nazi.

            So what nuace is missing here? Or any topic.