SF 2589 as introduced - 94th Legislature (2025 - 2026)
www.revisor.mn.gov

This came up in my health care forum.

Right now, you can legally detain someone medically when they are a danger to themselves or others for up to 72hrs. The details vary by state, but this is how we lock down individuals trying to suicide or someone mentally off the rails making threats of violence.

This variation on that law would also make opposition to Trump qualify.

Civil commitment can follow as with individuals who have profound mental illness and are not safe to be out in the world.

This is the loudest scream that democracy is dead short of hauling people out into the street and shooting them.

It’s important to note the police are currently the people who bring individuals in for the 72hr mental health holds.

  • Carmakazi@lemmy.world
    1241·
    3 days ago

    It’s important to note the police are currently the people who bring individuals in for the 72hr mental health holds.

    I think it is also important to note that it appears many of these officers are not wearing Level IV plates daily, and plainclothes cops may not be wearing any vest at all.

    • WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.worldEnglish
      50·
      2 days ago

      It’s also important to note that they’re planning on introducing gun control for people considered to be mentally ill. They are going to declare every antifascist mentally ill, and use it to take their guns away.

    • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
      61·
      2 days ago

      Donald Ewen Cameron’s operation was running from what is today known as the Allen Memorial Institute (AMI), part of the Royal Victoria Hospital, and not to be confused with the non-governmental organization based in Montreal, AMI-Québec Agir contre la maladie mentale.

      Love how Donald Ewen Cameron gets exactly one sentence that doesn’t even describe anything he did, and is listed under the Canada section with zero mention of being funded by the CIA as part of MKULTRA (which also gets zero mention in the article).

      For those who don’t know, Donald Ewen Cameron posed as a normal doctor in Canada and took patients who came in with minor symptoms like headaches or anxiety disorders and put them into months-long comas without their consent to run CIA mind control and drug experiments on, including LSD and electroshock treatments at 30-40 times normal levels. The full extent of his abuse will never be known due to the destruction of records (more details on this page), but many people were severely traumatized with long term effects including, “incontinence, amnesia, forgetting how to talk, forgetting their parents, and thinking their interrogators were their parents.”

      After conducting these horrific, abusive “experiments” (torture) on innocent Canadians seeking medical help, with US government’s full knowledge and support, Cameron would go on to become president of several different organizations, including the American Psychiatric Association, the Canadian Psychiatric Association, and even the World Psychiatric Association.

      This is literally USA level stuff.

  • floofloof@lemmy.ca
    1021·
    3 days ago

    What is wrong with people that they would rather live under the boot of dollar-store Hitler than in a tolerant society of people just getting on with life?

    • Hazor@lemmy.world
      45·
      2 days ago

      They believe the propaganda that others hate them or are trying to destroy their way of life, and that dollar-store Hitler is their champion fighting for them.

      • Diplomjodler@lemmy.world
        23·
        2 days ago

        They believe that bullshit against all common sense and by very deliberately ignoring any kind of evidence. Fascists are always assholes first and the fascism just serves to rationalize their shitty behaviour.

    • pufferfisherpowder@lemmy.world
      11·
      2 days ago

      That’s what I don’t get. Like, why can’t we just all get on with our lives, help those you have it worse than us, and work together on a better future for our children?

      But no, there’s a bunch of narcissistic assholes amassing wealth and convincing the other wannabe narcissists that everyone is out to get them.

      I have a small kid and have no clue how to explain to him what the fuck was going on in right now when he’s old enough to ask.

      • SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        1·
        2 days ago

        Hello fellow Scandinavian

        I share your worries, I truly think we’re going to have war at our doorsteps sooner or later, and I don’t really know what to do about it (beyond I guess, preparing mostly self-sufficient communities of like-minded individuals capable of self-defense, but yeah…)

        It’s definitively scary

    • Sektor@lemmy.world
      9·
      2 days ago

      Lack of empathy. Fear that they are fed. Hate for different people. Sense of superiority over people who have even less than them. Total lack of responsibility. Religion.

  • andros_rex@lemmy.world
    18·
    2 days ago

    Psychiatric hospitals are also allowed to lie to you. You can go in voluntarily, and be upgraded to “involuntary” with no recourse.

    Mental health techs will lie - cause problems? Guess what, your notes now say that you are “paranoid” and “hear voices.” You’re “paranoid” because a tech beat the shit out of you two hours ago - you don’t hear voices, but you are “crazy” so obviously lying.

    Check what rights institutionalized people have in your state. I can tell you where I live, there are none.

      • andros_rex@lemmy.world
        7·
        2 days ago

        Quite literally in my case.

        PTSD from “psychiatric care” is pretty difficult to deal with (and understudied. fascinating how PTSD only garners you empathy and understanding if you’re a combat rep, despite the fact that most with PTSD do have it from sexual abuse and possibly inpatient experiences - suicide rates skyrocket after involuntary commitment, but why do any form of investigation into something that might hurt profits?)

        If you’re afraid of wasps, you aren’t expected to go ask a wasp how to deal with it. If, however, you experience severe abuse at the hands of mental health professionals and you live in an area where mental health care = the police, getting any form of help is pretty difficult.

        Especially when they consider your gender identity and sexuality as manifestations of mental illness/further evidence that they don’t need to look into the tech beating the shit out of you.

  • salamandermander@lemmings.world
    791·
    2 days ago

    This is literally how the soviet union suppressed dissent in the 80s. Disagreement with the party was legally considered a sign of psychological issues. They did this to replace the gulags.

    • zephorah@lemm.eeOP
      4·
      2 days ago

      Having a human labeled as internally broken has always been effective. Even on the small scale, society takes a step back, maybe, at most, pities, but the label utterly destroys all leadership capacity due to the seed of doubt it plants in everyone.

  • casmael@lemm.ee
    43·
    2 days ago

    Oh look it’s incredibly fucked up fascist policy again wow I’m so surprised who could have predicted this ?

  • uuldika@lemmy.ml
    44·
    2 days ago

    it’s legislative shitposting/meme magic. one of them gets an idea for the meme: adding “Trump Derangement Syndrome” as a mental illness to troll the libs. it provokes a reaction in us, because it’s 2025 and for all we know the damn thing might pass at the rate the fascists are consuming the state, and the Republicans’ base feeds off of our panic and grief, fueling their schadenfreude. Republican voters are the real trolls; these legislators are just their proxies.

    basically, this is the meme magic formula that took 4chan from “ironic” Nazi trolls to an outright fascist resurgence across the West, that took Trump from a meme candidate to the Oval Office, that took the 51st State rhetoric from obvious hyperbole to deadly serious. it’s “just a joke” when you’re defending it, it’s “just trolling” when you’re pushing it through, and it’s “owning the libs” when you’re executing on it.

    • A_norny_mousse@feddit.org
      15·
      2 days ago

      As long as you aren’t playing it down (I don’t think you are but not 100% sure) I’m with you. Historically, that’s how we got here.

      Still, it needs to be called out, every step of the way. The more such “troll legislation” passes - possibly unseen - the worse things get.

      Also, there’s no 3- or even more-D chess going on. MAGAGOP is just throwing shit at the wall, not too bothered if something doesn’t stick, but immediately ready to follow up if it does. So let’s make sure it doesn’t.

      • uuldika@lemmy.ml
        5·
        2 days ago

        definitely not playing it down. the whole point of meme magic is that it shifts the Overton window so bills like these can actually pass. it’s a kind of “irony laundering.” they “troll” the Left, the Left raises alarm, the Right keks and calls us hysterical, the Center sees us as crying wolf and tunes us out. the Right pushes the “troll” legislation as far as they can because “it’s just a prank bro,” until we’re weakened enough they can actually pass it.

        it’s like how the Right goads us into calling them “fascists” because they’re literally being fascists, the Right gaslights saying we’re always calling everyone “fascists,” until fascism reenters the Overton window because the Center thinks “fascism” doesn’t mean anything anymore.

        honestly, the Left should have used this kind of meme magic back when Republicans were calling centrist Dems Socialists. if we’d used this strategy as well as the Right did we could be executing Billionaires by now.

    • peoplebeproblems@midwest.socialEnglish
      28·
      2 days ago

      It won’t. Even if it did Walz would would veto it.

      Every single elected Nazi will probably vote for it, but they don’t have a majority and they are super upset about it.

  • Placebonickname@lemmy.world
    35·
    2 days ago

    U guys remember that scene in Schindler’s List where the little girl is screaming “Good bye you Jews!” To all the families as they are being marched off to a slave labor camp? Well this is how that sorta shit starts. Make the opposition the demon and get away with anything.

    • whodrankarnoldpalmer@startrek.websiteEnglish
      24·
      2 days ago

      This is indeed how that sorta shit starts.

      Worse, Americans also seem to have forgotten how to make that sort of shit end. Everyone agreed on what to do with Nazis 80 years ago.

      • Jerkface@lemmy.world
        61·
        2 days ago

        Everyone certainly did not agree. A very sizable segment of US citizens were Nazi sympathizers before and after WWII. Remember what it took for the United States to get involved in the war effort in the first place.

  • Azal@pawb.social
    28·
    2 days ago

    I saw on a conservative discussion group about making “TDS” (Trump Derangement Syndrom is what they’re calling it) an actual entry into psychiatric work. I was wondering where this was coming from.

    There it is.

  • elatedCatfish@lemm.eeEnglish
    20·
    2 days ago

    This sounds like a great way to get a bunch of cops shot. Which is something they’re trying to push the death penalty for…

  • Wren@lemmy.world
    9·
    2 days ago

    My first thought when reading this is….

    We’re mere weeks away from martial law.

    My second thoughts was, if this is the distraction- what is the other hand doing?