• jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de
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      10 days ago

      And analytics. And offloading as much computation to the client, because servers are expensive and inefficiency is not an issue if your users are the ones paying for it.

      • kbotc@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        10 days ago

        I saw an ad request with an inline 1.4 MB game. Like, you could fit Mario in there.

        • state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de
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          9 days ago

          The Samsung shop hands out 1.4mb JSON responses for order tracking, with what I estimate 99% redundant information that is repeated many times in different parts of the structure.

    • lobut@lemmy.ca
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      10 days ago

      Web “Apps” are also quite bad. Lots of and lots of stuff we’re downloading and it feels clunky.

      Sometimes that’s bad coding, poor optimization, third party libraries, or sometimes just including trackers on the page.

  • enemenemu@lemm.ee
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    10 days ago

    Paypal has 500 mb and just shows a number and you can press a button to send a number to their server.

    It’s insane

      • kratoz29@lemm.eeEnglish
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        10 days ago

        LMAO, he also made me check it.

        347 MB for me, no wonder why I am always struggling with storage for my 128 GB phone (with not expandable storage of course), and I don’t even have that many games, even less ROMs 😅

    • Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafeEnglish
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      10 days ago

      Check out the apps Hermit and Native Alpha. They make web pages run like an app. I’ve only run into a couple sites where they don’t work right.

      • enemenemu@lemm.ee
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        10 days ago

        Native alpha sounds good since it’s foss and uses vanadium’s webview. Are you still logged in to paypal (any annoying website) a couple of months later. Or does it revoke your rights after a while?

        I only use it rarely and I hate providing my info for 5 minutes just to do one transaction.

    • TBi@lemmy.world
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      10 days ago

      I wouldn’t say skill issue, more of time issue. You only get a week to implement something. Quicker to use existing libraries than try to optimise yourself.

      • Hawke@lemmy.world
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        10 days ago

        It’s both, and they are in a sense the same.

        Cheaper less skilled or less experienced programmers take longer to get similar results. One week with a a skilled programmer is a lot more value than one week with an unskilled programmer.

        Even more if you want to invest some of that experienced programmer time to get the new guy up to speed.

    • August27th@lemmy.ca
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      10 days ago

      Nailed it. Things have changed to allow cheaper (interpretable in several ways) developers to create “good enough” software as quickly as possible. If that involves inefficient frameworks, technology, and practices that unlock this, then so be it; if the “best” code is the code that makes money, and money is what corporations prioritize above all else, and there is a way to do that quicker and cheaper, the outcome is obvious and now ubiquitous. Furthermore, if nobody at the top cares, why should anyone on the ground care? The problem compounds.

      Priorities are fucked.

      • bizarroland@fedia.io
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        10 days ago

        If it runs “fast enough” on a completely clean system that would cost the average user $1500, then companies assume that that means that it is a good product.

        If you want better software, you have to give developers worse hardware to develop on, and more time to develop.

        • MajorHavoc@programming.dev
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          10 days ago

          If you want better software, you have to give developers worse hardware to develop on, and more time to develop.

          Shhh. There could be application development managers listening… (I’m joking… Mostly.)

        • JordanZ@lemmy.world
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          10 days ago

          If it runs slow on my laptop then there isn’t a chance it will run at all pushed to the cloud. Our cloud servers are…not great. Single core 1.75gb boxes compared to my 16 core, 32gb laptop. We can do a lot with them though. Just takes a decent amount of tinkering. In some ways the cloud was the best thing for performant code.

      • bleistift2@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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        10 days ago

        inefficient frameworks

        I’d like to object to that. Frameworks are often built by dedicated and paid developers, so they tend to be above average in terms of efficiency. But being frameworks, they have to facilitate lots of use cases, so they also tend to be bigger than what you would write if you had 6 months to roll your own. And 36 more months to kill all the worms that got out of the can, to mangle a proverb.

    • Otter@lemmy.caEnglish
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      10 days ago

      With that in mind, I LOVE how lean and fast some FOSS apps/projects are. One of my motivations to go searching for FOSS alternatives is when something seems slow for no reason.

      It’s not always the case, but it’s often the case

      • Björn Tantau@swg-empire.de
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        10 days ago

        KDE Plasma has been getting so much more efficient with every release that you can almost recommend it for low-end systems.

          • umbrella@lemmy.ml
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            10 days ago

            lol my laptop is from 2011, i run gnome and kde easily. windows usually needs a round of debloating every update to be usable.

  • Stovetop@lemmy.world
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    10 days ago

    It’s just that we have to make space for our 5,358 partners and the telemetry data they need.

  • count_dongulus@lemmy.world
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    10 days ago

    Cheaper & faster development by leveraging large libraries/frameworks, but inability to automatically drop most unused parts of those libraries/frameworks. You could in theory shrink Electron way down by yoinking out tons of browser features you’re not using, but there’s not much incentive to do it and it’d potentially require a lot of engineering work.

    • Bytemeister@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      10 days ago

      Yep. Apps are 20x bigger with no new features…that you are using.

      Let’s not forget that the graphics for applications has scaled with display resolution, and people generally demand a smooth modern look for their apps.

    • zenpocalypse@lemm.eeEnglish
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      10 days ago

      Yeah, though the joke is funny, this is the real answer.

      Storage is cheap compared to creating custom libraries.

      • UnityDevice@lemmy.zipEnglish
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        9 days ago

        Storage is cheap on a PC, it’s not cheap on mobile where it’s fixed and used as a model differentiator. They overcharge you so much. Oh, and they removed SD card slots from nearly all phones.

      • Tanoh@lemmy.world
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        10 days ago

        Also the storage is the cost for the user, and google in the case of play store. So the developers have no incentive to reduce the size.

  • ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world
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    10 days ago

    The hp printer app says it needs your location to connect to WiFi. It says it needs your location all the time when not using the app, again to connect to WiFi

      • bleistift2@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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        10 days ago

        God, I hate Corsair. Not only do you need to download their garbage software to fucking turn off the RGB on a headset, you have to have it running or the RGB will turn on again!

          • bleistift2@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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            10 days ago

            Thanks for sharing that. My device isn’t listed, but I’d be surprised if Corsair changed how their shit works that much between devices. I’ll give it a try (it supposedly even works on Linux <3)