Former President Donald Trump had bragged about his success in opening the region to oil production after decades of political fighting over the resources locked under the tundra there.

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    Including the leases trump signed the day before Biden took office. Fucker.

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    Don’t worry everyone, Republicans won’t use this to blame gas prices that their donor friends jack up before the election

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    god damn it. what a worthless president. congrats democrats, you get $5 gas while financially supporting Russia and our other global adversaries. Traitors all of you.

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      The fact that you associate gas prices with the president proves how much of a gullible moron you are.

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      You realize the gas companies have had record breaking profits, right? It’s greed, nothing more

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        Heck yeah it is. I moved a bunch of money into oil when it bottomed out at the start of covid and its more than trippled. The only thing that would have been a better investment was big pharma. That being said, I’d rather that profit stay with US companies and investors than go to Russians, Iranians, and Saudis.

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          I’d rather the “profits” stay in the pockets of every American citizen

          See, that’s where we’re different. You pretend to be upset about Americans paying more at the pump, but are actually selfish and only care about a handful of Americans getting richer

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          If you’re trying to make money invested in US oil and hoping to keep money in the US, you need the price to be > $3/gal. During the pandemic Russia killed us and our fracking oil fields with the cheap gas. Many US fields had to close, many permanently because damage is done to the fracked wells when operations stop. Below $3/gal it’s cheaper to import and we’re sending our money to the Saudis and elsewhere.

          High gas prices makes the US oil fields competitive. Low prices sends US money over seas.

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            Right, and gas prices are high now, so we should be expanding domestic production right now. I don’t mind $1 gas from importer oil either, but when in rome…

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      Comments like this is why the rest of the world thinks the USA is a country formed by idiots.

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      I don’t recall pledging allegiance to Exxon or the house of Saud. Maybe the traitor is you!

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        That’s what this move does. We can get our oil from ourselves or from them, your choice, but it’s going to be one of them.

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          I think what you’re saying is we should be energy independent, right?

          I don’t disagree with that sentiment, but I disagree on where that energy comes from. We should have invested in BOTH getting off of hostile nation energy sources AND alternatives to oil decades ago. Yet here we are. Both parties are to blame for this, yet only one of them seems to be pushing for non-oil energy independence.

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            We were energy independent up until a couple years ago, a net exporter even. Alternatives are fine, but we aren’t going to all park our gas cars for 20 years while we wait for a cheap and plentiful alternative to take its place.

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              Bro you may wanna research your claims before you get all huffy about shit. You’re not even right, and you’re mad at the wrong people

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              Yeah, but we got there by shale oil which is ruining our water supply and raping the future land for the present. Hot take. Let’s build more nuclear if energy independence is really the goal. Fossil Fuels are killing us.

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              I don’t think that is realistic either. We’re in a transition period and most people still drive gas powered cars. It could take 20 years like you said, or it could take 50.

              That said, going back to the article here, the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge doesn’t currently have a lot of oil producing wells on it (if any at all). This is mostly due to the remote area, lack of infrastructure such as roads to get the oil out, and cost vs benefit analysis done by the oil companies. Blocking the drilling is really just slowing down -expansion- of oil production and does nothing to our current production levels.

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                Oh I know. Production takes time to ramp up no matter where it’s located, some areas a just easier than others. Its a known energy reserve, well I guess technically not now that drilling is banned, So energy expansion and production will just continue to expand elsewhere. For global political, and environmental reasons it would be best to expand in the US if possible and not the middle east, russia, china. People cheering this decision don’t understand that the oil will just come from dirtier, more evil places.

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      ROFL! You perfectly captured the ignorance of every trump-humping coward I’ve ever talked to! Bravo!

      I do love me some parody. Well played man! Only, next time- don’t forget the /s so we all know you’re not an idiot.

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      Read the room. Gas is likely going to get much more expensive in the next few decades, and that’s probably for the best. If you don’t like it then get an electric car.

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        It’s going to be more expensive due to an artificial scarcity. There is an abundance of oil, we’re just not drilling for enough of it

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        I’d gladly pay a little more for gas knowing it came from a north american oil well than have the blood children working in african cobalt mines on my hands.

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          A billion people are on track to die from climate change, according to some estimates.

          https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-warn-1-billion-people-on-track-to-die-from-climate-change

          Even if we call that highly inflated, maybe it is, maybe it isn’t, some non-negligible number will certainly die as a result with some multiple of that facing harsh negative impacts. A disproportionate number of those will be in Africa.

          If your argument is based in morality, it’s absolutely absurd to suggest the moral concerns of cobalt mining outweighs that of climate change.

          You raised a very valid concern, let’s work to make it better instead of running back into the burning building.

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          Fuck them kids. /s

          Yeah child labor is fucked up but we need to pressure our government and corporations to get more sustainable mines and better conditions for the workers.

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          I’d rather not buy any gas or any other fossil fuel. Let the price rise and force people to buy renewables.

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      We got by without those lands and we can do it again. Or are you too much of a snowflake to handle it?

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      Nothing was going to come of this, anyway.

      Oil companies themselves are not building wells anymore, or exploring for new ones. Lease auctions are just sitting there with no bids. Very little of it has to do with politics; it’s all about the payback not being there in the long run combined with the risk of another bust in the short run. Only the wells with a high chance of generating profit are getting the green light.