I feel like your strawman missed the point. No one claimed all men or women are the same, and literally no one said “Women have differing tastes. Men on the other hand all like the same.” (or even tried to make that point)…
The point seemed to be that sexualization of men and women is different because not all women like the typical sexualized male man (as per the example given). That being different implies that men do all like the typical sexualized woman. Which is wrong.
(edit: just realized I did a reverse menandfemales)
The post is commenting that both men and women characters in comics are drawn for men. The male characters are aimed at the broad average male power fantasy, not a broad average sexualization that would appeal to women (the way the female characters are drawn for the broad average appeal of men).
When the woman in this comic strip draws Batman in a way that is sexually attractive to her (which is a similar broad strokes “catch as many women as possible” approach comics already use for men), the man in the comic became uncomfortable seeing it. The point is that if they drew male characters in comics with the same approach that they draw female characters, then generally men would feel as uncomfortable by it as women generally feel now.
the man in the comic became uncomfortable seeing it
I don’t understand this point. The reason they’re uncomfortable with it is because they’re drawn in a sexualized manner? But even if all else is true, men in comics are already drawn in a way that many men think is attractive.
At least that’s how I understand the point of the “power phantasy”. Or do they mean literal physical strength with the “power phantasy”? Because the sexualization of men is definitely not limited to muscles.
Assuming the power phantasy is not just about physical strength, but also (or only) about extreme attractiveness (as perceived by men):
That is an idea that could be true. Are there statistics about how close the typical male hypersexualization is to women’s interests compared to how close the typical female hypersexualization is to men’s interests?
I think this is the point. It’s that both men and women are drawn in a way that attempts to appeal to men and less so what appeals to women (this is what men think ideal-woman looks like. This is what men think ideal-man looks like). This causes side-effects, galore.
Honestly dude you lost me when you started forcing a “ph” in the word fantasy over and over. Can’t take this conversation seriously anymore. I’ve explained it for you, but alas I cannot understand it for you.
I’m not a native english speaker. I’m sorry if my spelling makes my comments difficult to read.
I think I mostly understood the point by now.
(I still don’t get why the man would be uncomfortable with the alternative hypersexualization, since he already perceives the initial depiction as hypersexualized, but that doesn’t seem to be central to the point anyways.)
You’re implying that the average women isn’t attracted to a Jason Mamoa or Chris Pratt -type gymbod. Although I know not every woman is attracted to big arms and abs, it seems that most do. Hell, even straight guys can see that these dudes are hot.
Just like many women don’t like extreme muscley figures many men don’t like extreme hourglass figures.
Not all women are the same. Not all men are the same either. Claiming otherwise is sexist in both cases.
I feel like your strawman missed the point. No one claimed all men or women are the same, and literally no one said “Women have differing tastes. Men on the other hand all like the same.” (or even tried to make that point)…
Did I misunderstand the post?
The point seemed to be that sexualization of men and women is different because not all women like the typical sexualized
maleman (as per the example given). That being different implies that men do all like the typical sexualized woman. Which is wrong.(edit: just realized I did a reverse menandfemales)
I believe you did misunderstand the post.
The post is commenting that both men and women characters in comics are drawn for men. The male characters are aimed at the broad average male power fantasy, not a broad average sexualization that would appeal to women (the way the female characters are drawn for the broad average appeal of men).
When the woman in this comic strip draws Batman in a way that is sexually attractive to her (which is a similar broad strokes “catch as many women as possible” approach comics already use for men), the man in the comic became uncomfortable seeing it. The point is that if they drew male characters in comics with the same approach that they draw female characters, then generally men would feel as uncomfortable by it as women generally feel now.
I don’t understand this point. The reason they’re uncomfortable with it is because they’re drawn in a sexualized manner? But even if all else is true, men in comics are already drawn in a way that many men think is attractive.
At least that’s how I understand the point of the “power phantasy”. Or do they mean literal physical strength with the “power phantasy”? Because the sexualization of men is definitely not limited to muscles.
Assuming the power phantasy is not just about physical strength, but also (or only) about extreme attractiveness (as perceived by men):
That is an idea that could be true. Are there statistics about how close the typical male hypersexualization is to women’s interests compared to how close the typical female hypersexualization is to men’s interests?
I think this is the point. It’s that both men and women are drawn in a way that attempts to appeal to men and less so what appeals to women (this is what men think ideal-woman looks like. This is what men think ideal-man looks like). This causes side-effects, galore.
Honestly dude you lost me when you started forcing a “ph” in the word fantasy over and over. Can’t take this conversation seriously anymore. I’ve explained it for you, but alas I cannot understand it for you.
I’m not a native english speaker. I’m sorry if my spelling makes my comments difficult to read.
I think I mostly understood the point by now.
(I still don’t get why the man would be uncomfortable with the alternative hypersexualization, since he already perceives the initial depiction as hypersexualized, but that doesn’t seem to be central to the point anyways.)
You did understand their point, they just didn’t argue it well.
But the person you replied to said not all men like the comic book “hourglass” figure
You’re implying that the average women isn’t attracted to a Jason Mamoa or Chris Pratt -type gymbod. Although I know not every woman is attracted to big arms and abs, it seems that most do. Hell, even straight guys can see that these dudes are hot.
Here’s an educational visual.
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It didn’t load for me either. It did load when I opened the image in my browser.
(I think the difference is that it adds the
?format=webpin the browser.)https://pictrs.blahaj.zone/pictrs/image/65a49e6b-bf3c-4cf1-82ce-0f223ac8dadb.jpeg?format=webp
what are you quoting? are there more images in this post and my client’s just showing me the first one?
It’s not a real quote. It’s the meaning I understood this post to imply.
(My interpretation was already challenged by @Crozekiel below.)
Everyone is sexist and it’s OK.