They have the right to seek whatever medical interventions they desire, they even have the right to stand 6 feet away from me if they want, they just don’t have the right to force anything on me I don’t want for myself. It’s called liberalism, something the left has forgotten about
And how many more committed suicide during lock downs? How many children’s learning was negatively affect by distance learning? How many developed eye-strain staring at screens all day? How many who were going to die anyways had to die alone cuz of social distancing? And you can look up for yourself the developmental issues masking had on children, who rely on facial recognition to learn how to function in the world and communicate with others.
And all those who died of covid were likely going to die of covid no matter what because they had comorbities, were elderly, or were obese and no amount of masking, vaxxing, or distancing was going to stop it because none of those things have been shown to stop the spread of the virus anyways.
Its clear you’ve spent the last 3 years with your head buried in the sand
COVID-19 had the 5th worst death toll of any pandemic in human history, and is in the top 10 of global population lost. And that was with modern medicine and (with some Republican political exceptions) reasonably aggressive global response.
COVID-19 was bad, worse than most people seem to remember. I’ve got a pandemic-trained MCE expert in my family. Everyone saw it coming when they saw the numbers, and it happened worse than expected. Hospitals overflowing capacity from just critical cases. Tent hospitals being built. They fucking activated the mass-grave contracts to store the bodies. For the first time in nearly a century. Bet you didn’t know that. OEMS doesn’t publish actions like that because they don’t want to cause further panic. It comes through a private email to paramedics (and, fwiw I thought this part silly, sent under a pseudonym that only people in the field would recognize)
For the record (not that I think you actually care about facts, but I’m putting this up there for neutral observers), the deadliness of a pandemic is not primarily driven by its death rate. Only an ignorant person would look to that first. A virus with a 0.1% death rate could end humankind. Many viruses with high death rates have less of an impact. Potentially more important factors are the spread rate (influenced by the incubation rate and contagiousness window), and immunity rates (both inherent immunity and acquired immunity). That COVID-19 was a COVID family of illness (cold family, no known cures, treatments, or immunization paths) made it worse.
Just look at Florida’s and Texas’ response compared to New York and California. Those “Republican exceptions” had better results from not locking down. And yeah, there’s an argument to made for population density especially in places like NYC, but let’s also not forget that in NYC, the governor was sticking covid patients in elderly homes and upping the death rate. If the masks and vaxxes make you city rats feel safe then more power to you, but there was KO reason that stuff needed to be part of a global response
Do your own research like the rest of us, don’t ask me to do it for you. You’ve had 3 years, its not my fault you spent it with your head buried in the sand.
Lmao. My man I have, and I’m asking you to clarify because I have not seen any of these so-called negative effects from wearing masks and taking the vaccine. Such a cop out answer. It’s almost always a sign that you are talking out your ass if you aren’t willing to clearly state your point.
You’re not asking me to clarify, you’re asking me to collect links for you cuz you’re too lazy to get out of your little echo chamber where all your favorite publications jerk each other off and promote false narratives. You’re inability to branch out and interact with information that makes you uncomfortable is not my problem. Once again, you’ve had 3 years, there is 3 years worth of data out there for you to look at, you just have to avoid clicking on anything by CNN and the like. I’m not gonna act as your personal link aggregator
Doing you’re own research and learning to filter out bs is more childish than following narratives pushed by MSM like sheep and responding with pictures of feces when presented with an opposing point of view? Says more about you than it does about me
Okay, how was there an attempt at taking away both of these things? Because I can’t think of any. Also if free press took a hit during the pandemic no one told Fox News because they’ve been spouting their vile lies the entire time lmal
Yeah, one major establishment news outlet made it through, great example from you there bud. Meanwhile, the literal inventor of the mRNA vaccine technology had to go on Joe rogan just to make factual claims in a calm, non-sensational manner, and he still nearly lost his job and medical license
I think it’s a great example because they’re the single biggest source of conservative misinformation lmao. If the press was being silenced by some left-wing conspiracy don’t you think Fox would have been a major target for them??
Ignoring the fact that Rogan is an ignorant dumbass who does absolutely no fact checking, did Malone back any of his claims up or were they all just from his mouth? Because Malone was not the “literal inventor” of mRNA vaccines. It was a huge collaborative effort that he played a part in along with hundreds of other researchers over decades. But you already know this cause you do your own research instead of just taking people’s word for it right?
I think if there was left wing conspiracy against media they would want to have an establishment right wing media in their pocket to stoke division. However, I don’t think there is a left wing conspiracy against propaganda. I think there is a government wide conspiracy against media and that’s why establishment media continues to exist on both sides of the aisle. That being said, it was primarily leftist sheep who were the ones begging for government to shut down conservative voices or any voices that disagreed even the slightest with the narrative being pushed by left wing medias during the height of the pandemic.
And yes, almost everything that happens is a collaboration between multiple people. Good on you for figuring that out. That doesn’t mean that there are hierarchical structures within any organization that accomplishes anything. I don’t think anybody believes that Dr. Malone invented the mRNA vaccine by himself in his basement with a toy chem kit from amazon. That doesn’t mean he didn’t spearhead the project
Except that’s not true at all and if you were capable of getting out of your own echo chamber you would realize that. The only way the masks would have had any real effect is of we were all running around wearing N95s, but we weren’t. People were running around in cloth masks because its easier to make fashion statements out of them. And natural immunity has been shown multiple times to give far better immunity than the vax. Even early on, studies coming out of Israel and Ireland showed that
You do know it was only a <2% death rate because of the pandemic response, right?
The masks, the stay at home, the vaccinations were necessary because they worked.
It would have been even lower if jackasses like you didn’t think they knew more about a virus than the actual scientists who dedicated their lives to researching stuff like that.
Which constitutional rights are republicans trying to take away exactly? Last I checked, it was dems that have an issue with the right to free speech and the right to bear arms
Fuck the US constitution, it was written by slave owning trash. Fuck ”muh freeze peach” too, Nazis should not be allowed to speak freely or breathe oxygen.
If by “right of women to make decision for their own bodies” you mean “making irresponsible sexual decisions and then killing the resulting child”, that’s a pretty poor excuse for a right. What about that child’s right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? Most lefties wanna take that away from a child before the child is even born. And sure, we could argue at what point a human life is a human life, but we both know we’re not gonna change each other’s minds on that, so let’s skip that part please. I would also like to remind you that the majority of abortions are elective. Doesn’t seem right to me to take away the life of a child for the bad decisions of the mother
The right for trans people to exist
The argument against trans identity from the right is three fold: first, most right wingers don’t want to be told what we are and aren’t allowed to say on the topic. Especially those of us that are religious, because trans identity conflicts with our religious identity, and there is no getting around that. Most of us are happy enough to agree to disagree and go on our way. Its when lgbt activist behind screaming that we’re hateful bigots and somehow contributing to a trans genocide simply by being ourselves and believing what we believe that we begin to feel attacks ourselves and speak out against gender ideology. Secondly, there’s the issue of medical malpractice. This is usually the stance of the righties who don’t subscribe to the “live and let live” mentality surrounding gender transitioning. You can lookup countless stories of detransitioners who experienced this medical malpractice. You’d literally have to bury your head in the sand to not see this. And the third and biggest part of the issue is that lgbt activists are targeting children with this ideology. Just look up the actual effects that puberty blockers have on kids and you’ll get an idea of why this is a problem to most righties. Cuz children walk away from that treatment with brittle bone syndrome, micropenises, their growth stunted, and their depression excaserbated by the time their 18. And all of that actually starts even before treatment with parents who push gender ideology on their kids from a young age, practically insuring this fate for their children and then saying “no, it was their choice!” just because their son played with a barbie once when he was 2.
Inb4 “but Christians do the same thing to their children!!!”
Yeah, whatever. Never been true, never will be.
drag queens
Most righties don’t care about drag queens. I mean, we think those dudes are weirdos, but whatever, as long as you don’t bring that stuff around me or my family, its not an issue. All the red states that are passing laws against drag shows right now are passing laws against st drag performances in front of kids. If you’re telling me your identity is under attack simply because you can’t do weird sexual stuff in front of children, that says more about you than it does about me
having to wear protection during a pandemic
As I’ve said, no one is telling you that you can’t masks, vax, get boosters, lock yourself away, whatever you wanna do to make yourself feel safe. There are simply those of us who are saying that we don’t want to do those things to our own bodies and don’t want to be forced or coerced into doing those things with our own bodies. That’s all. And I guess we’re also saying that there’s plenty of evidence out there to show that those measures aren’t all that effective anyways, but we’ve also figured out by now that lefties don’t wanna listen to that anyways
Yeah, cuz vax cards, masks, lock-downs, “necessary employees”, and attacks on constitutional rights is all republicans
Fascism is when you respond to a pandemic
No, but trying to take people’s rights away over a virus with a <2% death rate is
What about the rights of the immunocompromised, the sick, and the elderly?
They have the right to seek whatever medical interventions they desire, they even have the right to stand 6 feet away from me if they want, they just don’t have the right to force anything on me I don’t want for myself. It’s called liberalism, something the left has forgotten about
Do they have a right to live in a society that takes pandemics seriously so they don’t end up socially murdered?
One again, less than 2% death rate. We didn’t take it seriously, we overblew it and caused mass panic for no good reason
Yeah, it is only a couple million deaths and several million cases of long covid. /s
And how many more committed suicide during lock downs? How many children’s learning was negatively affect by distance learning? How many developed eye-strain staring at screens all day? How many who were going to die anyways had to die alone cuz of social distancing? And you can look up for yourself the developmental issues masking had on children, who rely on facial recognition to learn how to function in the world and communicate with others.
And all those who died of covid were likely going to die of covid no matter what because they had comorbities, were elderly, or were obese and no amount of masking, vaxxing, or distancing was going to stop it because none of those things have been shown to stop the spread of the virus anyways.
Its clear you’ve spent the last 3 years with your head buried in the sand
COVID-19 had the 5th worst death toll of any pandemic in human history, and is in the top 10 of global population lost. And that was with modern medicine and (with some Republican political exceptions) reasonably aggressive global response.
COVID-19 was bad, worse than most people seem to remember. I’ve got a pandemic-trained MCE expert in my family. Everyone saw it coming when they saw the numbers, and it happened worse than expected. Hospitals overflowing capacity from just critical cases. Tent hospitals being built. They fucking activated the mass-grave contracts to store the bodies. For the first time in nearly a century. Bet you didn’t know that. OEMS doesn’t publish actions like that because they don’t want to cause further panic. It comes through a private email to paramedics (and, fwiw I thought this part silly, sent under a pseudonym that only people in the field would recognize)
For the record (not that I think you actually care about facts, but I’m putting this up there for neutral observers), the deadliness of a pandemic is not primarily driven by its death rate. Only an ignorant person would look to that first. A virus with a 0.1% death rate could end humankind. Many viruses with high death rates have less of an impact. Potentially more important factors are the spread rate (influenced by the incubation rate and contagiousness window), and immunity rates (both inherent immunity and acquired immunity). That COVID-19 was a COVID family of illness (cold family, no known cures, treatments, or immunization paths) made it worse.
Just look at Florida’s and Texas’ response compared to New York and California. Those “Republican exceptions” had better results from not locking down. And yeah, there’s an argument to made for population density especially in places like NYC, but let’s also not forget that in NYC, the governor was sticking covid patients in elderly homes and upping the death rate. If the masks and vaxxes make you city rats feel safe then more power to you, but there was KO reason that stuff needed to be part of a global response
Do you also resent being forced to wear a seatbelt?
Yes actually, I wear one by choice and for my wife’s peace of mind, but I think its a stupid thing to be fined for
Such as?
Do your own research like the rest of us, don’t ask me to do it for you. You’ve had 3 years, its not my fault you spent it with your head buried in the sand.
Lmao. My man I have, and I’m asking you to clarify because I have not seen any of these so-called negative effects from wearing masks and taking the vaccine. Such a cop out answer. It’s almost always a sign that you are talking out your ass if you aren’t willing to clearly state your point.
You’re not asking me to clarify, you’re asking me to collect links for you cuz you’re too lazy to get out of your little echo chamber where all your favorite publications jerk each other off and promote false narratives. You’re inability to branch out and interact with information that makes you uncomfortable is not my problem. Once again, you’ve had 3 years, there is 3 years worth of data out there for you to look at, you just have to avoid clicking on anything by CNN and the like. I’m not gonna act as your personal link aggregator
“Funny how you don’t have a real rebuttal so you’ve resorted to childish drawings of pig shit”
You realize, to the rest of us, the far-right “do the research” bullshit is actually worse and more childish than actual drawings of pig shit, right?
Doing you’re own research and learning to filter out bs is more childish than following narratives pushed by MSM like sheep and responding with pictures of feces when presented with an opposing point of view? Says more about you than it does about me
Do you have any real friends?
Which rights, specifically, have been taken away?
The right to infect and kill my neighbors so we don’t have to get our cheeks a little sweaty from a mask. Obviously.
Though I would argue free speech and freedom of press took a significant hit during the pandemic
Okay, how was there an attempt at taking away both of these things? Because I can’t think of any. Also if free press took a hit during the pandemic no one told Fox News because they’ve been spouting their vile lies the entire time lmal
Yeah, one major establishment news outlet made it through, great example from you there bud. Meanwhile, the literal inventor of the mRNA vaccine technology had to go on Joe rogan just to make factual claims in a calm, non-sensational manner, and he still nearly lost his job and medical license
I think it’s a great example because they’re the single biggest source of conservative misinformation lmao. If the press was being silenced by some left-wing conspiracy don’t you think Fox would have been a major target for them??
Ignoring the fact that Rogan is an ignorant dumbass who does absolutely no fact checking, did Malone back any of his claims up or were they all just from his mouth? Because Malone was not the “literal inventor” of mRNA vaccines. It was a huge collaborative effort that he played a part in along with hundreds of other researchers over decades. But you already know this cause you do your own research instead of just taking people’s word for it right?
I think if there was left wing conspiracy against media they would want to have an establishment right wing media in their pocket to stoke division. However, I don’t think there is a left wing conspiracy against propaganda. I think there is a government wide conspiracy against media and that’s why establishment media continues to exist on both sides of the aisle. That being said, it was primarily leftist sheep who were the ones begging for government to shut down conservative voices or any voices that disagreed even the slightest with the narrative being pushed by left wing medias during the height of the pandemic.
And yes, almost everything that happens is a collaboration between multiple people. Good on you for figuring that out. That doesn’t mean that there are hierarchical structures within any organization that accomplishes anything. I don’t think anybody believes that Dr. Malone invented the mRNA vaccine by himself in his basement with a toy chem kit from amazon. That doesn’t mean he didn’t spearhead the project
I saw plenty of jackasses using their free speech to spread misinformation, like the vaccines not working and the mask not being necessary.
Except that’s not true at all and if you were capable of getting out of your own echo chamber you would realize that. The only way the masks would have had any real effect is of we were all running around wearing N95s, but we weren’t. People were running around in cloth masks because its easier to make fashion statements out of them. And natural immunity has been shown multiple times to give far better immunity than the vax. Even early on, studies coming out of Israel and Ireland showed that
You do know it was only a <2% death rate because of the pandemic response, right?
The masks, the stay at home, the vaccinations were necessary because they worked.
It would have been even lower if jackasses like you didn’t think they knew more about a virus than the actual scientists who dedicated their lives to researching stuff like that.
Flat out false, read something other than CNN
Well, you had that last bit right.
Which constitutional rights are republicans trying to take away exactly? Last I checked, it was dems that have an issue with the right to free speech and the right to bear arms
Fuck the US constitution, it was written by slave owning trash. Fuck ”muh freeze peach” too, Nazis should not be allowed to speak freely or breathe oxygen.
At which point did you realize you’re a raging authoritarian?
Defender of Nazis and slave owners, eh? Interesting 🤔
Lol I’m not defending Nazis, I’m defending free speech. If you can’t see the difference,maybe you’re the one that shouldn’t be allowed to speak
Shit did I miss a memo? Are we doing a bit where we defend the morality of the US constitution? Hold on everyone, I call the 13th amendment!
Do you have a moral qualm with the abolishment of slavery?
It didn’t abolish slavery though.
https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/13th-amendment
Cherry-picked and taken out of context
I don’t know, like the right of women to decide over their own body?
The right for trans people to exist?
The right for drag queens to be seen in public?
But having to wear protection during a fucking pandemic is the real right that has been taken away, amiright?
If by “right of women to make decision for their own bodies” you mean “making irresponsible sexual decisions and then killing the resulting child”, that’s a pretty poor excuse for a right. What about that child’s right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? Most lefties wanna take that away from a child before the child is even born. And sure, we could argue at what point a human life is a human life, but we both know we’re not gonna change each other’s minds on that, so let’s skip that part please. I would also like to remind you that the majority of abortions are elective. Doesn’t seem right to me to take away the life of a child for the bad decisions of the mother
The argument against trans identity from the right is three fold: first, most right wingers don’t want to be told what we are and aren’t allowed to say on the topic. Especially those of us that are religious, because trans identity conflicts with our religious identity, and there is no getting around that. Most of us are happy enough to agree to disagree and go on our way. Its when lgbt activist behind screaming that we’re hateful bigots and somehow contributing to a trans genocide simply by being ourselves and believing what we believe that we begin to feel attacks ourselves and speak out against gender ideology. Secondly, there’s the issue of medical malpractice. This is usually the stance of the righties who don’t subscribe to the “live and let live” mentality surrounding gender transitioning. You can lookup countless stories of detransitioners who experienced this medical malpractice. You’d literally have to bury your head in the sand to not see this. And the third and biggest part of the issue is that lgbt activists are targeting children with this ideology. Just look up the actual effects that puberty blockers have on kids and you’ll get an idea of why this is a problem to most righties. Cuz children walk away from that treatment with brittle bone syndrome, micropenises, their growth stunted, and their depression excaserbated by the time their 18. And all of that actually starts even before treatment with parents who push gender ideology on their kids from a young age, practically insuring this fate for their children and then saying “no, it was their choice!” just because their son played with a barbie once when he was 2.
Inb4 “but Christians do the same thing to their children!!!”
Yeah, whatever. Never been true, never will be.
Most righties don’t care about drag queens. I mean, we think those dudes are weirdos, but whatever, as long as you don’t bring that stuff around me or my family, its not an issue. All the red states that are passing laws against drag shows right now are passing laws against st drag performances in front of kids. If you’re telling me your identity is under attack simply because you can’t do weird sexual stuff in front of children, that says more about you than it does about me
As I’ve said, no one is telling you that you can’t masks, vax, get boosters, lock yourself away, whatever you wanna do to make yourself feel safe. There are simply those of us who are saying that we don’t want to do those things to our own bodies and don’t want to be forced or coerced into doing those things with our own bodies. That’s all. And I guess we’re also saying that there’s plenty of evidence out there to show that those measures aren’t all that effective anyways, but we’ve also figured out by now that lefties don’t wanna listen to that anyways