I love how people keep falling back on “but this is shat the experts say” as if the “experts” don’t have monetary incentives to lie to the public. And when other experts like Dr. Malone came out and presented a different side of the story, they were dismissed entirely. Also, both of your sources are from the CDC, another one of those institutions that has monetary (as well as other) incentives to lie to the public. As I’ve said before, if you’re not willing to look past the most basic sources, sources like the CDC website, CNN, so on and so forth, don’t try to present these numbers to me as if they mean anything cuz there is KO way they aren’t doctored in way or another, and there are plenty of other publications out there that show completely different statistics. Natural immunity has been shown to be FAR better than VAX immunity, and aside from the I’m mill compromised, for whose these measures should definitely exist, the rest of us would have been better off simply catching it, beating it, and getting on with our lives. Viruses are going to spread no matter what, we don’t get to live in bubbles where nothing bad ever happens to us
Here’s your tinfoil hat. Cure for COVID, alien mind control, AND for intelligence.
other experts like Dr. Malone
A footnote reference in some early mRNA papers. And he wasn’t dismissed for his professional opinions, but for his embrace of full-on conspiracy theories. Then, he promoted hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin after we had conclusive information that it definitely was doing nothing but harm. He claimed without evidence (and known to be false) that the vaccines were causing AIDS!
Show me, show me everyone who got AIDS from the COVID vaccine, please do.
Also, both of your sources are from the CDC, another one of those institutions that has monetary (as well as other) incentives to lie to the public
But the guy who ran a large pharmaceutical company that was pitching a blend of famotidine and hydroxychloroquine as a cure for COVID is A-O-K in your book and should be trusted without question?
Understand. The people who are discredited over COVID are not discredited for holding controversial professional views, but for going batshit fucking insane across the board. And what few “controversial professional views” they held were so over the top we know have demonstration about their falsehood. There were 12.7 billion pfizer vaccines, but no increase in AIDS whatsoever.
don’t try to present these numbers to me as if they mean anything
I’m quickly learning that facts and truth don’t mean nearly as much as things that agree with your worldview. I see you going all alt-right in other threads. You’re just trolling, and looking like an ass. Do you enjoy embarrassing yourself?
Natural immunity has been shown to be FAR better than VAX immunity… for whose these measures should definitely exist
Since your measurement for a authoritative source is whether it agrees with you, IF you were wrong (you are), what kind of evidence would convince you?
I have numbers from studies ](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9828372/) that put vaccine immunity about equal to natural immunity (depending on the specific vaccine), except that boosters are safer than catching COVID again and hybrid immunity (if you do catch COVID and are also vaccinated before or after) is itself much more effective than either alone.
More importantly (same ref), the vaccine is more effective than natural immunity for the severe cases of COVID that lead to hospitalization and death. A vaccinated populace will not crush the hospital and funerary systems like we experienced in 2020. An unvaccinated populace still can.
Viruses are going to spread no matter what, we don’t get to live in bubbles where nothing bad ever happens to us
Correct. Have you always been actively antivax? Got kids? Were they vaccined for smallpox? Measles? You know we basically eradicated most of those illnesses up until the antivax movement got reinvigorated by the COVID crazies?
These have been shown to be effective against covid as part of a larger treatment plan. No one was telling people to go buy ivermectin at the feed store. Btw, the ivermectin is FDA approved for human use as an antifungal, antiviral, and antibacterial. It’s on the WHO’s list of essential medicines, and I even remember a video that made the rounds a couple of years ago where Dr. Fauci himself let slip that ivermectin is part of an effective treatment against covid.
The people who are discredited over COVID are not discredited for holding controversial professional views, but for going batshit fucking insane across the board.
Down right false.
You’re just trolling
👏👏👏
Do you enjoy embarrassing yourself?
Yeah
I have numbers
…from the NIH, the organization Dr. Fauci, with all his monetary incentives to push the vax, is in charge of. Nice try glowie
we basically eradicated most of those illnesses
Yeah, with traditional vaccines that have years or even decades of long-term safety data, not with mRNA gene therapies that have only been around for 3 years.
It’s funny cuz when Trump first started Operation Warpspeed and was talking about how he was pushing the vax through with all the FDA tests, I seem to remember all the lefties being against it. But the moment it became Biden’s vaccine, all this sketchy stuff was suddenly fine
I love how people keep falling back on “but this is shat the experts say” as if the “experts” don’t have monetary incentives to lie to the public. And when other experts like Dr. Malone came out and presented a different side of the story, they were dismissed entirely. Also, both of your sources are from the CDC, another one of those institutions that has monetary (as well as other) incentives to lie to the public. As I’ve said before, if you’re not willing to look past the most basic sources, sources like the CDC website, CNN, so on and so forth, don’t try to present these numbers to me as if they mean anything cuz there is KO way they aren’t doctored in way or another, and there are plenty of other publications out there that show completely different statistics. Natural immunity has been shown to be FAR better than VAX immunity, and aside from the I’m mill compromised, for whose these measures should definitely exist, the rest of us would have been better off simply catching it, beating it, and getting on with our lives. Viruses are going to spread no matter what, we don’t get to live in bubbles where nothing bad ever happens to us
Here’s your tinfoil hat. Cure for COVID, alien mind control, AND for intelligence.
A footnote reference in some early mRNA papers. And he wasn’t dismissed for his professional opinions, but for his embrace of full-on conspiracy theories. Then, he promoted hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin after we had conclusive information that it definitely was doing nothing but harm. He claimed without evidence (and known to be false) that the vaccines were causing AIDS!
Show me, show me everyone who got AIDS from the COVID vaccine, please do.
But the guy who ran a large pharmaceutical company that was pitching a blend of famotidine and hydroxychloroquine as a cure for COVID is A-O-K in your book and should be trusted without question?
Understand. The people who are discredited over COVID are not discredited for holding controversial professional views, but for going batshit fucking insane across the board. And what few “controversial professional views” they held were so over the top we know have demonstration about their falsehood. There were 12.7 billion pfizer vaccines, but no increase in AIDS whatsoever.
I’m quickly learning that facts and truth don’t mean nearly as much as things that agree with your worldview. I see you going all alt-right in other threads. You’re just trolling, and looking like an ass. Do you enjoy embarrassing yourself?
Since your measurement for a authoritative source is whether it agrees with you, IF you were wrong (you are), what kind of evidence would convince you?
I have numbers from studies ](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9828372/) that put vaccine immunity about equal to natural immunity (depending on the specific vaccine), except that boosters are safer than catching COVID again and hybrid immunity (if you do catch COVID and are also vaccinated before or after) is itself much more effective than either alone.
More importantly (same ref), the vaccine is more effective than natural immunity for the severe cases of COVID that lead to hospitalization and death. A vaccinated populace will not crush the hospital and funerary systems like we experienced in 2020. An unvaccinated populace still can.
Correct. Have you always been actively antivax? Got kids? Were they vaccined for smallpox? Measles? You know we basically eradicated most of those illnesses up until the antivax movement got reinvigorated by the COVID crazies?
Thanks, it’s quite comfy
These have been shown to be effective against covid as part of a larger treatment plan. No one was telling people to go buy ivermectin at the feed store. Btw, the ivermectin is FDA approved for human use as an antifungal, antiviral, and antibacterial. It’s on the WHO’s list of essential medicines, and I even remember a video that made the rounds a couple of years ago where Dr. Fauci himself let slip that ivermectin is part of an effective treatment against covid.
Down right false.
👏👏👏
Yeah
I have numbers
…from the NIH, the organization Dr. Fauci, with all his monetary incentives to push the vax, is in charge of. Nice try glowie
Yeah, with traditional vaccines that have years or even decades of long-term safety data, not with mRNA gene therapies that have only been around for 3 years.
It’s funny cuz when Trump first started Operation Warpspeed and was talking about how he was pushing the vax through with all the FDA tests, I seem to remember all the lefties being against it. But the moment it became Biden’s vaccine, all this sketchy stuff was suddenly fine