You need infrastructure for fast charging so that people can travel long distances.
It takes several hours to charge my car at home, twice a week or so.
That’s too long when I go on a trip long enough where you’d need to get gas . If I go to the supercharger, it’s 25 minutes every four hours or so. That’s just the opposite of a problem for me.
The only remaining problem for me is that there’s not more fast DC chargers.
I’d really like to take my EV camping, but the places where I like to go camping are far from any fast charging and don’t have RV plugs. A regular 120v/15A wall plug overnight would resolve the issue, but I just can’t guarantee that one’s available.
That’s the only “range anxiety” I have. On a daily basis, I just never have to worry about running out of juice. It’s just full all the time.
It’s like a phone. I charge it every night (I don’t even do that for the EV). The only problem is if I’m traveling, and cars and planes have charging for me.
Once there’s more infrastructure, it’s just no problem.
Not just Tesla and not just NACS. Other charging networks using CCS are going into Sheetz as well. I know I always stop at two Electrify America Sheetz locations on the PA turnpike whenever I drive it.
While I’m sure Electrify America is doing the same thing as Tesla (installing electric “gas stations” at regular gas stations, because it’s an obvious place to put them), I’ve only seen one ccs charger in my life.
I’ve never actually seen anyone use it, and it’s frequently got tape around it.
I take that tape as “it’s broken” but I don’t care to check on it.
A Tesla driver probably wouldn’t have any great need to see a CCS charger, just like a non-Tesla diver has little reason to go to a Tesla supercharger. They’re around, though. EA seems to like putting chargers in Sheetz and Walmart. Chargepoint is less predictable as to where you’ll find them. They do seen broken more often than they should be (usually seems to be a computer/software issue), though, I’ll give you that.
At home either you’re responsible on your own or your landlord is, in fact in Germany many people rent. Here there is a law already: if requested, the landlord has to install an EV charger.
In many parking lots of businesses at least where I live chargers already exist. I don’t know if this is another law or if it just works in that field.
This is a infrastructure problem. This is a near-term win to put these in gas stations where power infrastructure already exists or can exist. Massive power infrastructure doesn’t work quickly, it will take time but ultimately you’re correct to push for parking locations.
There is a difference between bad policy and unpopular policy. If each party caters to their target audience there are two others the policy is unpopular with.
Blatantly bad policy is rare. Interestingly the current opposition had the same intention when they were in charge. But now they have to cater to their right wing audience.
Subsidizing foreign mega corps to make (not even develop) chips in Germany with €3M per job while the local infrastructure is inferior to other countries is not just unpopular. It’s objectively stupid policy and a waste of taxpayer money.
no, please tell me how domestically producing chips is bad. remember 2021 when entire factories had to shut down because we couldn’t import those very same controller chips due to a single ship getting stuck? i sure as hell do.
No, I think it’s incredibly important to make sure that a third of our economy isn’t killed just because china want to play ball right now.
and our infer structure in what? roads/rail? we are one of the best. the only nations with better rail service are all those who have a Rail trunk instead of a network.
or maybe you mean internet. well, that is getting expanded under the current government, after years of CDU led governments being completely apathetic to this problem.
and we’re finally addressing the cost of power being so high outside Bavaria by no longer subsidizing them.
It makes much more sense to put the chargers in places where you park your car: At home, at parking lots and at work.
Gas stations. No.
DC fast chargers. Not level 2 240v chargers.
Next, what a shit article.
You need infrastructure for fast charging so that people can travel long distances.
It takes several hours to charge my car at home, twice a week or so.
That’s too long when I go on a trip long enough where you’d need to get gas . If I go to the supercharger, it’s 25 minutes every four hours or so. That’s just the opposite of a problem for me.
The only remaining problem for me is that there’s not more fast DC chargers.
I’d really like to take my EV camping, but the places where I like to go camping are far from any fast charging and don’t have RV plugs. A regular 120v/15A wall plug overnight would resolve the issue, but I just can’t guarantee that one’s available.
That’s the only “range anxiety” I have. On a daily basis, I just never have to worry about running out of juice. It’s just full all the time.
It’s like a phone. I charge it every night (I don’t even do that for the EV). The only problem is if I’m traveling, and cars and planes have charging for me.
Once there’s more infrastructure, it’s just no problem.
In much of the rural US gas stations are a “one stop” - gas, groceries and often a restaurant. It would be a no brainier to add charging to those.
Fast chargers at sizeable gas stations make sense. Sheetz has already been putting them in at some larger locations.
My favorite are the chargers at buc-ees. Get to buy some beef jerky and a bbq sandwich while charging.
QuikTrip has been installing EV chargers for years now, but they also offer a lot more amenities for long stays so they’re in a position of strength.
Sheets hasn’t Tesla has been installing them at places like Sheetz.
Anyway, it looks like the NACS is winning the standards war, so everyone will benefit from their early investment.
Not just Tesla and not just NACS. Other charging networks using CCS are going into Sheetz as well. I know I always stop at two Electrify America Sheetz locations on the PA turnpike whenever I drive it.
While I’m sure Electrify America is doing the same thing as Tesla (installing electric “gas stations” at regular gas stations, because it’s an obvious place to put them), I’ve only seen one ccs charger in my life.
I’ve never actually seen anyone use it, and it’s frequently got tape around it.
I take that tape as “it’s broken” but I don’t care to check on it.
A Tesla driver probably wouldn’t have any great need to see a CCS charger, just like a non-Tesla diver has little reason to go to a Tesla supercharger. They’re around, though. EA seems to like putting chargers in Sheetz and Walmart. Chargepoint is less predictable as to where you’ll find them. They do seen broken more often than they should be (usually seems to be a computer/software issue), though, I’ll give you that.
a whole bunch of companies are adopting the tesla charger design.
Nissan, Honda, Ford, GM, MB, Volvo already confirmed and more coming.
None of them have cars on the road using NACS yet , though.
no doubt, but it seems pretty obvious that it’s the next step.
ironically, they will have the “American” and “European” models since CCS is the EU standard
Places you can spend time at. Restaurants, coffee shops, even fast food, the mall, etc.
Work. The answer is always work. Eke out a little more profit while people recharge.
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Oh c’mon everyone hangs out at the local gas station!
To your point, mandate public places not a relic of a dying industry.
I’m not even supposed to be here today!
Ok, I know that wasn’t a gas station, but it felt like it fit.
Something is afoot at the Circle K
True that not all gas stations have a lot of parking but most on the middle of the road, not in town, do have + other services.
At home either you’re responsible on your own or your landlord is, in fact in Germany many people rent. Here there is a law already: if requested, the landlord has to install an EV charger. In many parking lots of businesses at least where I live chargers already exist. I don’t know if this is another law or if it just works in that field.
This is a infrastructure problem. This is a near-term win to put these in gas stations where power infrastructure already exists or can exist. Massive power infrastructure doesn’t work quickly, it will take time but ultimately you’re correct to push for parking locations.
So you can’t own an EV if you live in an apartment? Hmmm…
Of course you can, and IMO, you should be able to charge it at home, in parking lots and at work.
The current German government isn’t famous for their well-thought-out decisions.
There is a difference between bad policy and unpopular policy. If each party caters to their target audience there are two others the policy is unpopular with. Blatantly bad policy is rare. Interestingly the current opposition had the same intention when they were in charge. But now they have to cater to their right wing audience.
Subsidizing foreign mega corps to make (not even develop) chips in Germany with €3M per job while the local infrastructure is inferior to other countries is not just unpopular. It’s objectively stupid policy and a waste of taxpayer money.
in what way is it “objectively bad policy?”
no, please tell me how domestically producing chips is bad. remember 2021 when entire factories had to shut down because we couldn’t import those very same controller chips due to a single ship getting stuck? i sure as hell do. No, I think it’s incredibly important to make sure that a third of our economy isn’t killed just because china want to play ball right now.
and our infer structure in what? roads/rail? we are one of the best. the only nations with better rail service are all those who have a Rail trunk instead of a network.
or maybe you mean internet. well, that is getting expanded under the current government, after years of CDU led governments being completely apathetic to this problem.
and we’re finally addressing the cost of power being so high outside Bavaria by no longer subsidizing them.