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    Just because conspiracies likely do happen on a regular basis doesn’t mean that any popular conspiracy theory has found one.

    Remember, the big conspiracies like Watergate or the NSA leaks where not uncovered by conspiracy theorists. They where not uncovered by cherry-picking factoids from public government statements and “doing ones own research” aka using Google. They were uncovered by whistleblowers speaking out and journalists double-checking and following up on information they were given.

    As a side note — the poor boy with this scumbag father who constantly lies to him.

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    The 9/11 was an inside job stuff, but only the part where part of the US government knew that something was going to happen and let it happen. That gave them the opportunity to set up stuff like the Patriot Act and gave them a (wonky) reason to invade the middle east.

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      Yeah this is as far as I’ll take that one as well, except I’ll do one further. All that “controlled demolition” stuff is to distract rubes and make them sound like crackpots so no one takes the “hey we knew and did nothing” take seriously from anyone.

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      Yeah, what was it? By the end of the day Rumpsfeld and Cheney had convinced Bush to go after Sadam Hussein and people who knew the ME were confused about that.

      I don’t buy for a second that “they let it happen” though. The conspiracy is that they didn’t waste a good crisis.

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        Yeah maybe it’s some sort of confirmation bias from me, it’s my take on the conspiracy. But given all the shady shit the US government has done, I wouldn’t be surprised if they knew and let it happen. As you said they absolutely took advantage of the crisis.

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    My own personal conspiracy theory is that Flat Earthers, Anti-vaxxers and all the other “Facebook boomer” conspiracies are just a strategy to discredit other “more real” conspiracies: if you believe that 9/11 was an inside job you’re bundled with people that believe that Earth is a frisbee and smart people don’t want that so they keep themselves from exploring anything else.
    Also aliens fucked apes and that’s how we got here.

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      Yeah, It’s like the theory that Gates put microchips in the vaccines. First, your phone already does the job. And second, the actual conspiracy going on is that billionaires funnel their money through charities they own, and then make donations to influence the media and scientific research in their favour.

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        Donations don’t get taxed. So if you own the charity you’re donating you get your own tax-free income

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          I mean, the caveat is that you can’t legally pull money back out of that charity. It’s got to be used for the stated charitable purposes.

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      I just cannot fathom how flat earthers can believe what they believe.

      I like the theory that we were “planted” on Earth very long time ago by advanced beings.

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        I like the theory that we were “planted” on Earth very long time ago by advanced beings.

        If you want to know more, meet me tomorrow at the docks

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      Conspiracy theories are pushed by the state because it makes them seem powerful, when in reality they’re often fucking morons. /s?

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      So if I believe the earth is flat I’ll be bundled with people who believe 911 was an inside job is what you’re saying?

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    I’m not sure if this counts as a conspiracy, but I wholeheartedly believe that aliens are real, but that we have no way of ever contacting them or confirming their existence because they’re so damn far away

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        Yeah, surely it’s only a conspiracy if there’s proof of aliens that’s being hidden from people.

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      Indeed not a conspiracy. A conspiracy involves a crew of conspirators conspiring to do something illegal or unethical.

      If it’s just the laws of physics conspiring, it doesn’t count.

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    Mark Felton did a 6 episode series on YT on how the alleged burnt bodies of Hitler and Eva Braun found by the soviets, are actually plants.

    Not that Hitler survived the war or anything, they were just buried elsewhere nearby, probably in a civilian mass grave, to prevent the soviets from parading the real bodies around.

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      The key metric is always: how many people would have to be in on it and never say anything. The ones that are hundreds or thousands of people are obvious nonsense. If it’s just a handful of people, it’s perfectly plausible.

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    That majority of the opinions online are created and manipulated by special interest groups. All mainstream sites are astroturfed to steer discussion.

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    This is going to be my comeback the next time I get called a conspiracy theorist. Not that I am much of one or discuss them very often.

    We definitely aren’t told the whole story on 911. There’s so many wierd pieces like the dancing Israelis, the Pentagon footage, the ‘crash site’ in the field seemingly void of most of the expected debris, and tower 5 collapsing after office equipment caught fire somehow. It’s the only time in history that 3 buildings were hit by 2 planes and collapsed into their own footprint from fire damage. Tower 5 is the smoking gun, look into that one.

    The JFK assassination. Wendigoon did an excellent video (he’s quite passionate about it, he has a full on whiteboard to go through all the facts). There’s definitely more to that than we know. Crucial evidence being ‘lost’, audio of the gunshots, direction of the bullets… the person signalling with the umbrella on a sunny day…

    Just to mix things up a bit, water erosion around the sphinx. You can clearly see in old photos the water erosion from flooding. The last time that area was flooded was thousands of years before the supposed age of the sphinx. There’s also the tiny head and massive body, indicating that the head was recarved at some point. Then there’s the complete lack of hieroglyphics inside the pyramids, while everywhere else, temples, tombs, etc have hieroglyphs everywhere. Perfectly circular drilled holes in granite, scoop marks in the granite around a half carved obelisk, and the sheer weight of the obelisks themselves. I’m not saying aliens but definitely technology existed back then that we are unaware of. Probably not like modern technology but very advanced and clever cranes etc.

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      To address the flooding but, I’ve heard the idea (nope, I don’t have a source) that some of the ancient structures along the Nile may have been built with the assistance of dug canals that would have allowed barges to move right up to the job site. That could have been. Why the sphinx had wet feet, it was built in a puddle.

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      Theres this guy on TikTok demonstrating exactly how you can move large and heavy objects like that with nothing but clever counter balancing and some well placed logs. It’s really not that hard. Honestly this all was debunked ages ago, and just the fact that you willfully ignore that makes me think you’re disingenuous about the other stuff you’re saying.

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          You literally said technology that were not aware of. We are. We know exactly how they did it.

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            I would argue that we know it could have been done that way. And that’s ignoring the scoop marks in the granite, the drilled holes, lack of hieroglyphics. And apart from that, ignoring the main point which is the evidence pointing to an even earlier civilisation that created the pyramids/sphinx

  • Living in emulation. I believe calling it simulation wouldn’t be correct, we’d be more like a video game. If there was somehow a computer powerful enough to actually emulate real world, we wouldn’t be able to tell if we’re in it. And we’d still be real regardless, just on a computer.

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      Without knowing the “higher” reality, I’d still call it a simulation. An emulator is capable of replacing the “real” system it’s emulating. Maybe that’s your view on the topic, but I find it more likely the higher reality is more complex than ours because it contains ours. Therefore our reality could not be an emulation. Lots of speculation though.

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      None? Pretty sure if you look into them you may think one of them may have something to it…

      Searched for random ones that are know for a while:

      Contents

      -Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment
      
      -MKUltra: the CIA Mind-Control Project
      
      -The 1990 Testimony of Nayirah
      
      -Operation Snow White: The Church of Scientology Versus The U.S. Government
      
      -CIA Assassinations
      
      -The Business Plot: Fascism in America
      
      -Operation Mockingbird: The CIA Propaganda Machine
      
      -COINTELPRO: The FBI vs. 1960s Activists
      
      -Operation Paperclip: Nazi Scientists Find Employment in America
      
      -Operation Northwoods: How to Wage War on Cuba
      
      -Bohemian Grove: The Rich, the Powerful, and the Giant Stone Owl
      

      11 Unbelievable Conspiracy Theories That Were Actually True

      https://history.howstuffworks.com/history-vs-myth/11-unbelievable-conspiracy-theories-that-were-actually-true.htm

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    I believe the Disney Channel with their over serialization of minors is responsible for a lot of pedophilia that is going on.

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    That’s tricky, because “conspiracy theory” implies a level of deception that makes falsifiability of anything difficult. Like, if somebody starts chatting me up on the street and I wonder if I’m going to get scammed or jumped, that’s a theory about a conspiracy, but it’s not a conspiracy theory because it only involves a few people and I still can be sure what’s up and what’s down.

    Epstein being murdered gets called a conspiracy theory, but if a couple of guards, a warden and a single wealthy instigator were the only participants, and they were really sloppy covering it up, is that really so implausible?

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      I think you are overthinking it.

      Could have been anything:

      parents lying about santa, maybe

      moon landing, nasa

      Anything is good, hahahah

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        The Epstein thing was my answer to the spirit of the question, if that wasn’t clear. I just added some analysis, since I don’t believe actual conspiracy theories by definition, on epistemological grounds.