No evidence that UFOs are aliens — NASA attempts to make conversations about aerial phenomena more scientific::NASA attempts to make conversations about aerial phenomena more scientific.
Science… making everything boring like usual. Bring back the good inquisition and the crusades. Let’s spice this shit back up!
I don’t think science is boring at all. I eat up every new thing the Webb Telescope shows us.
I find it wild that people find explanation uninteresting and boring… Like, I get that it’s exciting to wonder and speculate about things, but I find getting real answers to be the most exciting. Expanding human knowledge is exciting, not boring.
Exactly! I don’t get it. Why don’t you want to learn new things? It’s like they feel that thinking is hard. Maybe that’s it?
Adjust the lens on the Webb to defect sarcasm, buddy.
Except NASA is not being transparent here. They created a UAP task force and would not reveal who was heading it and when it is released it turns out to be someone who’s spent his career with the DOD/Defense contractors. Not a scientist. Why are we not letting scientists handle this matter?
NASA also says they want to work to destigmatize UAPs and NHI, yet Bill Nelson slanders Grusch (highly decorated US military serviceman) and speaks down on anyone promoting more transparency here. The minimization of Grusch’s testimony all while the DOD is withholding Grusch’s security clearance and essentially stonewalling congress. Lots of reasons enough for us to be suspicious of foul play behind government figures here.
Basically, if you see some shit you need to mention it, because it probably isn’t an alien but there are many other important things that it could be. They don’t want you or airforce pilots sitting on suspicious sightings because you feel awkward/conspiratorial.
…also it’s probably aliens
“We don’t know what it is there for aliens” makes as much sense as “We don’t know where it all comes from therefore God”
There was a period of a few months around the 60 minutes interview with the pilots where I was pretty sad and bored, and it hit just the right spot for me to feel some hope that the world is interesting.
Which is also how a lot of people “find religion” fwiw
If anyone is interested, I have posted a very detailed account of evidence supporting the existence of UAP (not aliens).
It contains admissions of their existence by the US government on multiple occasions and throughout multiple decades. I have included footage of UAP confirmed to be valid by our government, and a bunch of declassified government documents on the subject.
I don’t rule out the possibility of alien existence in the universe, and I don’t rule out that such entities could be responsible for the disruptive/breakthrough technology represented in UAP, but aliens and even the origin of UAP are irrelevant to whether or not the UAP themselves exist.
They do, and I have provided a tremendous amount of evidence supporting this from a rational and skeptical perspective.
And since the topic is being mislabeled as crazy Republicans, I’d like to point out I’m left-leaning and I’ve also included quotes and documentation of Democrats’ support of the topic, including Chuck Schumer and AOC. The truth is there is essentially unanimous support from the right and left in drafting UAP-related legislation. This is not a crazy conspiracy theory. It’s not like the anti-vaxxer lunacy. It is reality.
UAPs exist obviously. Anything in the air that isn’t identified, be it a cloud, a trash bag, a balloon, an enemy aircraft, or aliens. Implying the existence of UAP means anything special though is where things get stupid. We need to get better protocols for calling out there’s something unknown just for the safety of pilots, but it doesn’t mean anything else.
Aliens are Qanon:2
Extra-terrestrial are probably real just like the paedophilia and human trafficking… but these people are just using it for attention and division.
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Did nasa release any evidence supporting the human traffiking and the other issue you mention? because they have not said it’s not real. NASA already made official statements acknowledging that there are uaps all over the world, they are now saying that they don’t have evidence that it’s aliens. they have not said it’s not real we have passed that point.
source: https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/pentagon-nasa-no-earthly-idea-164000079.html
“There is no evidence to support that conclusion” is scientist for “no.”
No, it’s not. It’s scientist for we don’t know.
You’re missing his point. It’s not not knowing, it’s “current empirical evidence points to X conclusion”.
Science is always open to changing their conclusion based on new evidence. People take that as doubt while con-men bring them absolute answers with absolute confidence and mistake this for facts.
my reply had nothing to do with “that conclusion” so you are not making any sense.
What is “real” for a UAP?
your comment basically confirms you did not read my previous comment where i shared an example that nasa disclosed with a link. there is even a non blurry video of one…
I’m asking you to define your term. It confirms nothing.
We have many documented UAPs that have no explanation. That’s what he means by “real UAP.”
“No evidence of aliens” is not scientist for “no” here because we do have an unexplainable thing that, in the set of plausible explanations, includes “aliens.” NASA is saying there is no proof it is alien, so the entire set of plausible unexplained reasons is still in play
The way science works is we will slowly chip away at what that set contains.
Now stop being a dick.
It’s not “my term” you can find the meaning of real in the dictionary.
The person you replied to said extraterrestrial not UAP.
NASA already made official statements acknowledging that there are uaps all over the world, they are now saying that they don’t have evidence that it’s aliens.
Yes, of course UAPs are real, it literally just means “stuff in the sky that we don’t know for certain what it is”, what it doesn’t mean is “aliens”, hence NASAs statement
they have not said it’s not real we have passed that point.
Again, they said UAPs are real (which again, duh), not that aliens are real
It might be clear to you but you should look at the comments and realize that a few people struggle to accept that its not a hoax.
I’d imagine that any person who says that UAPs aren’t real, isn’t aware of the actual definition of UAP. for which, frankly, I blame conspiracy theorists for conflating the term “UAP” with “aliens” just like they did with UFO
Yes. absolutely.
The thing we aren’t exploring or talking about in mainstream discourse is that UAPs might be terrestrial and non-human.
I’m sorry if this sounds like a conspiracy, but I think that China and the boys are really pushing UFO disclosure on social media to pressure the DOD into releasing classified aeronautics research on hypersonic missiles and specialized military satellites- (Check out https://www.darpa.mil/ if you want to read more about what technology the military has currently.
Plenty of conspiracy theories turned out to be true decades later.
K obvs
Of course UFOs aren’t aliens. They are the alien ships, dingus NASA.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
At a congressional hearing in July, former Pentagon intelligence officer David Grusch testified that the American government has been hiding evidence of crashed UAPs and alien biological specimens.
And the same week NASA’s report came out, Mexican lawmakers were shown by journalist Jaime Maussan two tiny, 1,000-year-old bodies that he claimed were the remains of “non-human” beings.
Some sightings represent surveillance operations by foreign powers, which is why the US military considers this a national security issue.
The authors note the importance of reducing the stigma that can cause both military and commercial pilots to feel that they cannot freely report sightings.
Spergel said the study team’s goal was to characterize the hay—or the mundane phenomena— and subtract it to find the needle, or the potentially exciting discovery.
He noted that artificial intelligence can help researchers comb through massive datasets to find rare, anomalous phenomena.
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And the same week NASA’s report came out, Mexican lawmakers were shown by journalist Jaime Maussan two tiny, 1,000-year-old bodies that he claimed were the remains of “non-human” beings. Scientists have called this claim fraudulent and say the mummies may have been looted from gravesites in Peru.
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Seems like a dumb pr move from them tbh. Everyone is more likely to give them money if everyone thinks that they’re studying aliens.
That doesn’t mean they should lie and say they are studying aliens, but they should have just let people run away with their imaginations.
They are studying aliens, it’s just that when they think they might be looking at aliens it’s “organic molecules detected in clouds on Venus” and not “weird thing in the sky one time, iunno”.
Strong disagree. NASA is fundamentally a scientific organization, it’s absolutely their duty to bring a dose of scientific rationality to conversations about UFOs. And besides, NASA absolutely is studying aliens. They’re constantly doing observations of exoplanets for signs of life, as well as all the numerous missions across our solar system looking for non earth based life.
If people for some reason think that using some of the most advanced observation equipment ever developed to look for actual aliens is less exciting then tinfoiling over grainy video footage and talking about little green men, then that’s their own problem, not NASA’s. And giving into that kind of populism would just lead to public pressure on them to waste time and money chasing down conspiracies instead of doing actual science
Where did I say they should use their equipment for tinfoil stuff? I just said they should shut up and let dumb people give them money
Except those “dumb people” vote, and the people they vote for are the ones that determine which projects get funding and which don’t. I’d rather NASA continue to get funding for real science than getting all their funding funneled into investigating “tinfoil stuff”. NASA isn’t an autonomous organization, they ultimately can only do work on what congress gives them money to do
That’s fair. I retract my statement
Unfortunately NASA is not being transparent here. They created a UAP task force and would not reveal who was heading it and when it is released it turns out to be someone who’s spent his career with the DOD/Defense contractors. Not a scientist. Why are we not letting scientists handle this matter?
NASA also says they want to work to destigmatize UAPs and NHI, yet Bill Nelson slanders Grusch (highly decorated US military serviceman) and speaks down on anyone promoting more transparency here. The minimization of Grusch’s testimony all while the DOD is withholding Grusch’s security clearance and essentially stonewalling congress. Lots of reasons enough for us to be suspicious of foul play behind government figures here.
Why are we not letting scientists handle this matter?
Probably hard pressed to find any reputable scientist who wants to waste their time debunking trivial bullshit.
If the bullshit was really some new type of atmospheric disturbance or anamoly, I’m sure they’d be interested in figuring out about that.
Sure, but like 99% of the time it’s mundane.
It’s only mundane once explained. So, like, 99% of science in general. Just keep in mind stuff like geology exists. Those are people who find rocks interesting.
“Mundane” meaning “not aliens”.
There are legitimate scientific organizations studying UAP, such as UAPx and the Galileo Project at Harvard.
Referring to UAP and not aliens, our government has admitted to having [secret government programs (https://www.nytimes.com./2017/12/16/us/politics/pentagon-program-ufo-harry-reid.html) monitoring/studying UAP, and other nations around the world have as well, including the UK and France who’ve both opened their information to the public. The US is uniquely secretive, withholding, and obfuscating the subject.
If you want a rational representation of valid information, I would encourage you to read my post. Everything is cited and it contains declassified US government documents and admission of the existence of UAP and secret government programs monitoring them. Again, I’m speaking in regard to UAP (Anomalous Aerial Phenomenon) and not aliens.
You’d be taken a lot more seriously if you dropped the “admission” phrasing.
What would be better phrasing? Acknowledged? It was previously classified and denied, and they have now admitted to the existence of the programs and phenomenon.
The information is valid regardless if people want to believe it. My post is thoroughly cited.
There are legitimate scientific organizations studying UAP
Tell me when they have something tangible that isn’t “here’s this thing on video that we can’t identify”. We’ve been collecting data for >80 years so I’m sure there must be something by now? Or is “fuzzy photography” the extent of it?
The term UAP, or Unidentified Anomalous Phenomenon, is what has been used by the US government in referring to these objects, as the term UFO has a very apparent stigma attached to it.
UAP has the same stigma as well. You can’t say "Oh, it’s Unidentified Anomalous Phenomenon while winking and nodding about aliens and hinting at conspiracies. We know what you mean.
Decades of “it might be aliens” when looking at blurry and out-of-context videos and photos deserves the stigma. It’s not aliens. It’s never aliens. All we have is “we don’t know what that thing was.” Until we do and then it’s an insect close to the camera, an internal reflection on an SLR lens, another aircraft, etc.
To jump to the conclusion that aliens is even an option is ridiculous given the number of crap we have in the skies today.
You’re clearly uneducated in the topic if you think a bug on lense is responsible for these crafts when there have been many instances in which radar has verified recordings and/or eyewitness reports. That rules out bugs.
And the UAP have been measured at temperatures that rule out birds or other warm-blooded animals.
There’s enough evidence that exists to make the belief that these physical objects exist rational and reasonable. Just because you haven’t honestly evaluated the evidence for something doesn’t mean that evidence doesn’t exist.
You’re clearly uneducated in the topic
Ugh. Just… Don’t.
There’s enough evidence that exists to make the belief that these physical objects exist rational and reasonable. Just because you haven’t honestly evaluated the evidence for something doesn’t mean that evidence doesn’t exist.
Evidence for… WHAT?
Crafts that our government has stated are not our technology, that are capable of outperforming our current aircraft/war machines, such as the F/A-18F Superhornets in the Nimitz Event.
That should be concerning to people if that air superiority exists in the hands of a possible adversary. There is also the aerospace safety hazard posed by UAP that affects both commercial and military aircraft, where there have been many reported cases of near-misses.
The Pentagon’s Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) was mandated to produce a report on UAP, and stated in their report that:
Most of the UAP reported probably do represent physical objects given that a majority of UAP were registered across multiple sensors, to include radar, infrared, electro-optical, weapon seekers, and visual observation. … UAP clearly pose a safety of flight issue and may pose a challenge to U.S. national security. Safety concerns primarily center on aviators contending with an increasingly cluttered air domain. UAP would also represent a national security challenge if they are foreign adversary collection platforms or provide evidence a potential adversary has developed either a breakthrough or disruptive technology. [11]
Of the 510 total UAP reports studied by ODNI, 171 remained “uncharacterized and unattributed,” and “some of these uncharacterized UAP appear to have demonstrated unusual flight characteristics or performance capabilities, and require further analysis." [11]
Not only has the US government confirmed that UAP exist, they have acknowledged that they pose a serious safety risk to our pilots; both commercial and domestic.
So much time and money being wasted on pseudoscientific bunkum.
Right now the US military and NASA is in agreement that UAPs exist, there’s thousands of citizens interested in UAPs/NHI, yet not a single scientist in the past 75 years wanted to find the answer to what these UAPs are?
Science in itself is debunking trivial bullshit until you find a rock solid solution and right now we don’t have a solution.
I think NASA’s and the wider scientific community’s stance on this is less “Not a chance.” and more “If you really want us to look into this, you have to fund it.” No one is volunteering to be the official “It’s not aliens.” guy and get death threats from conspiracy theorists and shit.
And the question for us should be “How much tax money should we spend on this?” rather than “Do we want an answer?”
But do we really want an answer?
I want an answer but not from scientists. I want to know about the people who believe the aliens crash landed and the government has the spaceship. So, they have the technology to bend space and time at will or at least avoid micro-meteors the whole way. But then they get to Earth and fly directly into a tree?
Eh, shit happens even to top guns flying our latest tech. Consider the implications of the existence of life outside Earth tho. How would the public react?
The answer? You think there is only one? UAPs are a hodgepodge of anomalies. They’re not a single phenomenon. There are people in various fields who would and do study them. Odd things on a radar will certainly be of interest to radar manufacturers for exqmple.
But we all know what people mean by UFOs, er., UAPs. “I’m not saying it’s aliens. But it’s aliens…”
Spoiler: it’s not aliens.
who’s spent his career with the DOD/Defense contractors. Not a scientist.
Imagine thinking the DOD doesn’t have scientists…
Ofc they do but they’re compartmentalized as hell.
Why do you think Bill Nelson himself is a career politician, not a scientist? These are political figures in these positions, not scientists.
Wasn’t it headed by David Spergel who is an astrophysicist? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Spergel
