The sanest thing to do if you’re using Linux is to just forget that the GNOME project exists at all. It will save you a lot of frustration. Too bad they’re holding GTK+ hostage as well though.
Why is this the sanest thing? There are many people that enjoy using gnome including myself. Don’t you think this is an extreme take for something that just doesn’t align with your views on how the Linux desktop should be?
Because the developers have an “our way or the highway” attitude, so at any time they may change or remove something that you liked because they think that’s how it should be and you are wrong for wanting it otherwise.
@SpaceCadet
the gnome design philosophy had been defined for a long time now. it’s not just one or two people making gnome like software and forcing people to use their design.
it’s people coming together to create user aligned software of you want to mod the heck out of it you can but it always provided a stable base @haroldstork
I haven’t really followed it closely (as I said, the less I think about the GNOME project the better) but I remember them putting up an anti-theming and “Adwaita or the highway” stance a couple of years ago.
a. Only about programs using libadwaita
b. About their opinion that just overriding the global style like in GTK3 was causing too many issues in apps defining their own widgets or CSS to be worth it.
IIRC they were willing to accept a contribution of a more advanced theming system (but building it themselves was not something they wanted to prioritise over other things), but lacking that they’d rather enforce using adwaita in libadwaita.
The main problem I have with Gnome is exactly this: extensions. Vanilla Gnome is so barebones that it makes the MacOS feature-rich. So you really need extensions.
But the problem with extensions is that when you update Gnome, you’re not sure if the extensions you’re using will work. It’s a logistics I don’t want to think about anymore. For me, extensions are good for distros because you can update everything as one package.
I’m much happier with KDE. As always, experience varies, but this has been my experience.
But the problem with extensions is that when you update Gnome, you’re not sure if the extensions you’re using will work.
I can’t believe this is still a thing. I made an honest attempt at using Gnome 3 about a decade ago and gave up after a couple of months because of this, mostly.
The sanest thing to do if you’re using Linux is to just forget that the GNOME project exists at all. It will save you a lot of frustration. Too bad they’re holding GTK+ hostage as well though.
Why is this the sanest thing? There are many people that enjoy using gnome including myself. Don’t you think this is an extreme take for something that just doesn’t align with your views on how the Linux desktop should be?
Because the developers have an “our way or the highway” attitude, so at any time they may change or remove something that you liked because they think that’s how it should be and you are wrong for wanting it otherwise.
@SpaceCadet
the gnome design philosophy had been defined for a long time now. it’s not just one or two people making gnome like software and forcing people to use their design.
it’s people coming together to create user aligned software of you want to mod the heck out of it you can but it always provided a stable base
@haroldstork
They have moved their Gnome specific stuff in GTK to a library called libawaita. You can easily use GTK without much Gnome specific stuff.
Have they now?
I haven’t really followed it closely (as I said, the less I think about the GNOME project the better) but I remember them putting up an anti-theming and “Adwaita or the highway” stance a couple of years ago.
IIRC the debacle about theming was:
a. Only about programs using
libadwaitab. About their opinion that just overriding the global style like in GTK3 was causing too many issues in apps defining their own widgets or CSS to be worth it.IIRC they were willing to accept a contribution of a more advanced theming system (but building it themselves was not something they wanted to prioritise over other things), but lacking that they’d rather enforce using
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Gnome is extremely polished, well featured, stable and clean. It’s no doubt went it’s the default for most pro distros
Why did people downvote this? I’m thinking of switching from KDE to GNOME on my PC, with extensions it’s great for every usecase.
The main problem I have with Gnome is exactly this: extensions. Vanilla Gnome is so barebones that it makes the MacOS feature-rich. So you really need extensions.
But the problem with extensions is that when you update Gnome, you’re not sure if the extensions you’re using will work. It’s a logistics I don’t want to think about anymore. For me, extensions are good for distros because you can update everything as one package.
I’m much happier with KDE. As always, experience varies, but this has been my experience.
I can’t believe this is still a thing. I made an honest attempt at using Gnome 3 about a decade ago and gave up after a couple of months because of this, mostly.
I haven’t had this problem.
Ok.