“The grid can’t handle it” is a bullshit argument that is easy to sell to people who want to keep their IC cars. The difference between highest demand and lowest demand in Ontario this week was 7000MW, if everyone charges their car at night there is power available AND it helps increase the base load which is good for the gird operators.
Even individual buildings may not need to upgrade their main service even with rapid chargers, the operators just need to keep in mind not to run the oven, dryer, AC and car charger at the same time.
Yes the power plants can pump out enough, but not all transfer stations are able to handle the load, each individual hub, may not be able to handle the load.
It’s far more nuanced than this even, but don’t believe everything everyone is selling you, everyone has an agenda and no one is going to tell you the entire truth.
If an entire block suddenly goes EV one night the infrastructure isn’t there, it’s slowly being updated which you don’t see, but there’s issues out there.
New Brunswick had a program in the 1970s/80s to get people to switch to electric home heating due to the oil shocks. That was far more ambitious than what is being proposed here.
Municipality requires new buildings to be EV ready, ANY infill neighborhood would fit the requirements for your example. That’s just one city, happening all over the world.
Infills are where you rip buildings down and replace them with new ones, this triggers code changes. So any place with these mandates and allow infills can have this happening.
If your focusing on just the literal definition of “overnight… we’ll I can’t help there, but infills fit the requirements of your required “proof”.
No it doesn’t. They asked for proof of a place that it has happened, you’ve provided proof of places where it could happen. That still doesn’t change that it’s incredibly unlikely for an entire neighbourhood to replace all their vehicles in a short period of time and even more unlikely that they would all be EVs.
If an entire block suddenly goes EV one night the infrastructure isn’t there, it’s slowly being updated which you don’t see, but there’s issues out there.
Those are you words not mine.
I’m asking you to provide some back up for your claims.
Everyone in the burbs run their AC full tilt all summer and the grid holds up just fine. An EV charger used overnight, when your AC runs less, would present no more of a load than the daytime high usage. Stop pushing anti-electrification bullshit, or move to Alberta, they love that shit.
A friend showed me his overnight Tesla fill up. 6 bucks. That really doesn’t seem like much power used compared to everyone running baseboard heaters here in the winter.
A whole street going electric suddenly wouldn’t be great in many places. Hell, just look at all of the electricity-caused wildfires over the last few years. Those places are currently struggling to keep the supply stable. There probably wouldn’t just be one car in each driveway. Many families have multiple vehicles. Most of those would probably be charging at the same time overnight.
If places with really poor power management suddenly took on a lot of EV’s, it would cause further issues. If a power line is already struggling at it’s current capacity, it only makes sense that increasing the load on that same power line would be problematic. Once it’s too much, it’s too much.
So, we should install power systems that can take on that additional capacity if we want everyone to go EV. Outfitting a place like New York City would be very different than outfitting rural areas. Many cities are still running on infrastructure that was built a long time ago. It should hopefully be more feasible outside of those areas.
“The grid can’t handle it” is a bullshit argument that is easy to sell to people who want to keep their IC cars. The difference between highest demand and lowest demand in Ontario this week was 7000MW, if everyone charges their car at night there is power available AND it helps increase the base load which is good for the gird operators.
Even individual buildings may not need to upgrade their main service even with rapid chargers, the operators just need to keep in mind not to run the oven, dryer, AC and car charger at the same time.
https://www.ieso.ca/power-data
Yes the power plants can pump out enough, but not all transfer stations are able to handle the load, each individual hub, may not be able to handle the load.
It’s far more nuanced than this even, but don’t believe everything everyone is selling you, everyone has an agenda and no one is going to tell you the entire truth.
If an entire block suddenly goes EV one night the infrastructure isn’t there, it’s slowly being updated which you don’t see, but there’s issues out there.
New Brunswick had a program in the 1970s/80s to get people to switch to electric home heating due to the oil shocks. That was far more ambitious than what is being proposed here.
Moot point, nowhere will suddenly switch to electric vehicles overnight.
Multi family complexes do all the time, richer neighborhoods typically adopt EVs faster.
It’s happened before, which is why it’s a known issue, so it’s far from moot if it’s happened before, no?
Point out one example of an entire block switching to electric vehicles overnight then.
https://www.victoria.ca/EN/main/residents/planning-development/development-services/electric-vehicle-readiness-in-new-construction.html
Municipality requires new buildings to be EV ready, ANY infill neighborhood would fit the requirements for your example. That’s just one city, happening all over the world.
But hey, continue with your head in the sand.
Requiring new building to be electric vehicle ready seems to be a no brainer, but that’s not what we’re talking about.
I’m asking you to provide some proof to your claims that whole blocks are going to switch to electric vehicles overnight.
Infills are where you rip buildings down and replace them with new ones, this triggers code changes. So any place with these mandates and allow infills can have this happening.
If your focusing on just the literal definition of “overnight… we’ll I can’t help there, but infills fit the requirements of your required “proof”.
No it doesn’t. They asked for proof of a place that it has happened, you’ve provided proof of places where it could happen. That still doesn’t change that it’s incredibly unlikely for an entire neighbourhood to replace all their vehicles in a short period of time and even more unlikely that they would all be EVs.
Those are you words not mine.
I’m asking you to provide some back up for your claims.
Everyone in the burbs run their AC full tilt all summer and the grid holds up just fine. An EV charger used overnight, when your AC runs less, would present no more of a load than the daytime high usage. Stop pushing anti-electrification bullshit, or move to Alberta, they love that shit.
A friend showed me his overnight Tesla fill up. 6 bucks. That really doesn’t seem like much power used compared to everyone running baseboard heaters here in the winter.
A whole street going electric suddenly wouldn’t be great in many places. Hell, just look at all of the electricity-caused wildfires over the last few years. Those places are currently struggling to keep the supply stable. There probably wouldn’t just be one car in each driveway. Many families have multiple vehicles. Most of those would probably be charging at the same time overnight.
If places with really poor power management suddenly took on a lot of EV’s, it would cause further issues. If a power line is already struggling at it’s current capacity, it only makes sense that increasing the load on that same power line would be problematic. Once it’s too much, it’s too much.
So, we should install power systems that can take on that additional capacity if we want everyone to go EV. Outfitting a place like New York City would be very different than outfitting rural areas. Many cities are still running on infrastructure that was built a long time ago. It should hopefully be more feasible outside of those areas.
That sounds sick though, $6 for a full tank.