• Fubar91@lemmy.world
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      By posting memes on Lemmy to piss off Americans, so they start to take formative action after they research the memes context and realise they don’t have free health care, cheap/free post secondary education, and mandatory holidays like the EU bros.

      Tldr: Post them memes buddy!

      Edit: guys… this is c/memes. Y’all are taking this way too literally lmao. Lighten up a bit ffs.

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        Free healthcare does not exist. Someone will pay the bill. The bill may not be ridiculously inflated but someone pays.

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          I guess what Europeans mean by free healthcare is healthcare that doesn’t structurally fuck over the poor, and makes what’s left of the middle class poor as soon as they have a bit of bad luck regarding their health.

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          No shit, literally no one actually thinks this when they say “free healthcare” what they mean is that it’s free for the individual. As in, you don’t have to deplete your life savings because you had an injury.

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            It is not free for the individual. People pay 800 Euro for healthcare per month regardless if they need it or not. Everyone contributes to paying the bills except the young and very poor.

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              That’s because those two groups CANT PAY THE TAX CAUSE THEY DONT HAVE ANY MONEY.

              Do you also hate public roads? After all your taxes go to fixing those even if you don’t own a car!

              We can play this dumb shit game all day.

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                Read what i said. You assume shit because of voices in your head. I stated what is real without any judgment. You assume my opinion based pn a picture your brain painted based on nothing. I did not voice an opinion anywhere.

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              If you live in the UK and earn £100k per annum (which puts you in the highest tax bracket), then you are paying £460 per month for all social securities including healthcare. If you earn less, you pay less. Where did you get this €800 from? Your dumb ass?

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                Your manners are pretty decent for earning so much money. Gratulations. Not everyone is living in the uk…

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          I’m not saying you’re wrong but you are being pedantic: aka the worst kind of right.

          It’s free in the same sense that a free school lunch is free: the exchange of money happened long before/after the actual goods or services get to the person who needs it

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            They know. Most people that use that argument just want to make their position known, ie: socialism bad.

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              No, we also talk about it because it stops working when people don’t treat it right. In Germany the system will very likely change because it is not affordable anymore. Politicians are already discussing things like people should have to pay the first few thousands of healthcare costs by themselves.

              Yeah I know, perhaps you might say thats still better than in America. But to treat it like healthcare is free and grows on trees is just false. But because a lot of people treated it that way it’s now going downhill.

              Talking about that doesn’t make you anti-socialism. It’s really discerning how people on social media only accepts discussion that follows the overall cheers. You aren’t against something just because you want to discuss it.

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            I am not pedantic. I am precise. People need to understand that other people pay for their treatment and it does not just happen.

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              People know and understand that - that’s why countries with high tax rates aren’t seeing people throw tea in the water on a regular basis. They understand that they have representation and a share in the value that comes having those relatively high tax rates.

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              No one thinks that though so I’m not sure who you’re trying to preach to.

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                How? All I want is to replace the term free healthcare with socialized healthcare. All the other arguments here only exist because people assume opinions that where never voiced.

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          Lol, the bill is literally a piece of paper backed by other pieces of paper that the richest people on the planet demand have value because they choose who has the paper they hand out.

          What you mean to say is, the labor must be done, and it is. The part you refuse to accept is the laborers must have a sustainable life and they don’t.

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          That’s not much of an argument when you consider that places like the US still spend just as much money with Healthcare, without providing free services to the population.

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        I’m in a union here in Germany. Why am I supposed to pay up for the folks in the US who still act against their interests and refuse to unionize or vote for worker’s rights?

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        There is a difference in interests at work between employees and employers. Even if someone doesn’t own the business, if they have real hiring and firing power over other workers then they count as an employer to us.

        I have two direct reports at work, so it seems like they consider me an employer, and I’m not eligible to join.