Crazy idea: pay them both more so the public doesn’t have to
The public is going to pay them regardless. The money for wages has to come from what customer’s spend. Being said, I agree with you wholeheartedly because tipping is a leverage point that enables a lot of racism, sexism and sexual harassment.
Because currentlty we pay the boss but they forget the part where that goes to their staff.
This should really be the norm.
In some countries, it is!
Abolish tipping. Living wages for all, no exceptions.
That username/profile/comment combo is immaculate.
I used to work as a line cook. The waitresses would give us a percentage of their tips which was nice. But really, we understood that it was much better to cook the food than be the one dealing with the idiot customers and rude Karens, so they deserved that tip. The girls would be all smiles, and addy soon as they’d walk in the kitchen they’d let out all the rage. Then back to smiling once they go back on the floor, whereas the cooks could just behave like the animals we were, and nobody would see us.
No, they deserved to be paid appropriately by their employer and the customers deserve to have a predictable bill, not one based on the quality of the service they received or the pity they have for the employee.
I’ve worked for tip for 10 years, tipped jobs shouldn’t exist.
dealing with the idiot customers and rude Karens
Of course the customers behave as entitled brats because they’re paying for the entitlement with a tip that can be withheld for any reason. It creates a rage inducing power dynamic.
As someone who has worked in customer service, customers don’t need to tip to act like entitled brats.
So, is that basically why Americans like tipping culture? Because it lets you feel the rush of being in control of someone for money? The rush of being the abusive partner in an abusive relationship?
Yes. The whole American culture runs around money.
Yep, exactly the same shit why liberals were OK with Nazi Germany. Sure some of them they weren’t on board with the mass killings (but lets not mince words here, a lot of them were) but once they got to wield a fraction of that power for themselves, they stopped complaining.
Exactly! I mean just watch the movie “Waiting”. It is such an accurate portrayal that it should be classified as a documentary.
18 years in restaurants checking in. I was a bartender when waiting came out. The only thing they got wrong was that we didn’t do The Game, but we started to after we saw the movie.
So so many restaurant staff did, it’s not even funny. 😅
Is this a USA-thing? In Europe tips are most usually split between front and back of the house.
In the USA there is a “minimum” wage, and a tip wage. The tip wage means your employer pays you $2.17/hr and you make nearly all of your income from the kindness of strangers. It’s mindnumbinly aweful.
To be clear, if you don’t make enough in tips to reach minimum wage, your employer pays the difference
Some places do pool a percentage of tips and pay them out to the kitchen and/or bar. Usually kitchen is paid more than waitstaff, and waitstaff is also likely to be cut if it’s slow, so may get less hours. Some states allow employers to pay tip based workers below minimum wage.
The fact that there are laws about “tip based workers” is insane to me.
Also to clarify, the rationale for tip based workers having a lower default minimum wage is that if they do not come up to the regular minimum wage with their tips+salary, then employer has to make up the difference. But usually they end up making more than minimum wage with the tips.
And you won the lotto if an employer actually supplements your tips. When you go a day with no customers.
If you’re reporting your income on your taxes then your employer literally cannot be doing that. Sure it gets averaged over your pay period, but you should still be making at least minimum wage.
ROFL, tell me you have no idea how the restaurant industry works without saying it …
When I was in Seattle the servers got min. state wage (15? at the time) & you could not split your tip unless the other person had interaction with the guest (no cooks got tips unless they did tableside cooking). Our best server for one restaurant group rolled in last, got 300+ tips, and was cut first- usually a 3.5/4.5hr shift. Kenny was a fucking legend.
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You’re looking in the wrong country.
The jobs we tip and the jobs we don’t really don’t make a whole lot of sense, honestly.
Fifteen years ago, working master control at a small local television station, someone called in just furious that a baseball game their TV schedule said would be on was not on. It was a TV station, ads paid the bills, but the person felt really entitled to baseball over free over-the-air television. This wasn’t the only time this happened, but this has always been the one I’ve remembered most vividly, because the guy was just so angry, like he’d had his whole day planned around this.
I remember thinking about tipping jobs at the time, and how I was earning federal minimum wage to do this relatively skilled job (edit: not saying waiting/chefing are unskilled), and people were harassing me because the wrong thing was on the TV. With all due respect, I was master control, I literally had the finalized schedule in front of me. Nobody was tipping me when the thing they wanted on TV was on. I mean, I didn’t expect it since ads paid for everything, but the entitlement of some people for something they essentially didn’t pay for was so weird to me, and made me think of the disparity.
I don’t get this meme. The phone has a back light and the book doesn’t.
The cook already has a tip: he ate half the customer’s dessert ;-)
Agreed. Tipping is stupid. Abolish it and charge what the service costs.
Hm. I see what this is pointing at, but I find it odd that the guy in the shade has a phone, not a paper book. He doesn’t need the light to begin with.
The restraunt my friends used to work at did tip pooling. The workers made sure the cooks and the hosts got paid what their work was worth and would work with servers whose sections were underperforming to see what they could do to close the gap. The cook friend I had in that group had dreams of being a chef and opening a restaraunt as a co-op
Correction: Left guy is the boss because most food service companies will (usually illegally) skim tips. Tipping culture is fucking awful.
Maybe, but THIS is one step beyond madness.
This is why I always tip, unless the waiter/waitress specifically ruined my meal or experience. Even then, I usually just give them a smaller tip than I would normally.
You always tip because it doesn’t go to the person that actually made the food?
Cooking is long hours for low pay doing something you love. Serving is whoring yourself out for money. If the money isn’t there I won’t whore myself out but i can fall back on cooking at any time and it’s hard thankless work, but we love it…
I can promise you that 90% of line cooks don’t “love” cooking
Then why do they do it? It’s not the hours and the wages…
Because people have to do something to put bread on the table and cooking in a restaurant is one of the jobs where they’ll hire you without qualifications because they’re always looking for new staff because people hate it, especially the conditions.
I’ve been doing this for 30 years, what you’re describing is the situation in the front of the house more often than not, but I’ve mostly worked fine dining so maybe i don’t see how it is for those who work, say, at the Cheesecake Factory… How many tv shows are there about front of the house? Every day is sunny? How many are there about BOH? So many I can’t even count. But hey I’m sorry your being paid so lousy in the kitchen but what you’re describing isn’t the job, it’s the coercion of capitalism.🏴🏴🏴
Dude nobody has a passion for making fifty Bloomin’ Onions a night unless they have like severe autism or something.
it’s not the hours and the wages
BOH is almost always hiring, which makes it a good fallback if you lose your job. The barrier for entry is pretty much, “Can you get here on time for every shift?” There’s a reason that kitchen work is one of the most common jobs for people who have been recently incarcerated.
Remember chef, there’s a difference between line cooks and chefs. A great chef is rare and people who are line cooks may never understand our passion for food.
Fuck off, loving your job doesn’t mean you should be paid less for it.
I didn’t say that, you did so you can fuck off. Are you in the industry? What are you doing to change things? My point is only that serving isn’t worth your soul unless you’re paid handsomely and the kitchen is rough but the cost on the soul is bearable. And these are my opinions I’m not asking you to share them, don’t be an ass. I wish the kitchen paid more so i could afford to do it longer and more often. It doesn’t. 🏴🏴🏴 Capitalism blows
doing something you love
I love cooking for family, but I’ve also cooked for Denny’s and a getting through a meal service is something else entirely. There’s a reason cooks in general are one of the most alcoholic professions, and it’s not because they spend most of their day doing something they love.
I’m not sure there’s causation there but definitely correlation. Personally restaurants saved me from the streets and I’ve seen people struggling with addiction use the job to survive. I’m struggling in this thread because I’m an anarchist and working under the coercion of capitalism is evil in all jobs. But I’ve never known anything else and I have a love/hate relationship with the hospitality business. The current model sucks, i can’t argue with that but I’ve seen people try a bunch of new systems and I’ve worked at a few of those and dined at others and well… they aren’t there anymore. I was set to start my own spot right before pandemic and I thought employee owned was the answer but now I’m seeing how that can be just another ploy at exploiting the proletariat. Those hopes puts mine are now gone because i don’t know the answer. I’m still coerced to work in the industry because it’s what I’ve dedicated my life to and I’m not willing to give it up, but i am doing FOH now and i hate it but where i live, unless i take a lead position in a kitchen which is more than my family will allow me to do i can’t afford to work BOH where i want to be. But i do see people who may or may not hate the work lying about experience to get in the door and that is definitely the coercion of capitalism and not the fault of the work. And yes some of those people get burnt out and leave but others start to rise through the ranks because passion shows in the product. It is known kitchen wages suck, and the tip situation isn’t new. In reference to my OP I’m not speaking of the rotating door people coerced by capitalism, I’m speaking of those who make this choice, even under capitalism. So those people commenting against my previous statements, rage against capitalism, rage against tip culture, but for people into cooking and food this is what we have now. And in conclusion (sorry for the wall of text) working in the kitchen is hard work for shitty pay, FOH is physically easy but whoring yourself out comes with another cost and until they find another way to handsomely reward us workers the industry is going to die. Or the revolution will come first…VIVA LA REVOLUCIÓN!
The wait staff deserve those tips for having to interact with the customers and deal with all the assholes. I say this as an ex line cook, I would rather be in the kitchen than have to fake smile and socialize with customers all day
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