In a shocking incident, horrific visuals are surfacing on the internet in which it can be seen that the Hamas militants are taking a semi-naked dead body of an Israeli woman on an open truck and parading in the city. It is said that the militants after attacking Israel are killing and taking the civilians as hostage. The militants took the dead bodies of the innocent civilians who were killed during the attack in open trucks and paraded them.

  • Dkarma@lemmy.worldEnglish
    5290·
    11 months ago

    This is almost as bad as the Palestinian settlement destruction and genocide by Israel. Not quite but almost.

    • AliasAKA@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1137·
      11 months ago

      What Israel does is as you described. But can we please not use whataboutism to try and justify barbaric behavior? This is grotesque. Things done to Palestine are grotesque. Let’s just call evil things evil and not try and say “hey cause someone else did an evil this evil is okay.”

      • NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social
        1139·
        11 months ago

        I mean I can’t say I support murdering civilians, but Israel had this coming for a long time. It’s not whataboutism, more just the natural consequence of Israeli policy the last 80 years.

      • Dkarma@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1043·
        11 months ago

        I never said what you’re implying. This is not what aboutism in any sense.

        • AliasAKA@lemmy.worldEnglish
          304·
          11 months ago

          Saying “this is almost as bad” establishes a comparison, and in the context establishes justification for this event because of the comparator. So your response to the barbarism here is a tacit justification by comparison, or taken in another view, a counter accusation. Which is definitive whataboutism: responding to an accusation with a counter accusation.

          • Dkarma@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1325·
            11 months ago

            Comparing two acts isn’t whataboutism…lol

            If someone slaps you and you stab him back it’s not whataboutism to point out the disproportionate use of force.

            I made no attempt to downplay or excuse the actions of Palestine.

            This is not a debate. I pointed out a fact and you got upset about it. Fallacies don’t come into play here at all.

              • Dkarma@lemmy.worldEnglish
                813·
                11 months ago

                🤣. Oh look you’re doing exactly what Wikipedia describes (parenthesis mine):

                Whataboutism can provide necessary context into whether or not a particular line of critique is relevant or fair (this is what I did), and behavior that may be imperfect by international standards may be appropriate in a given geopolitical neighborhood (which is the circumstance here).[7]

                (Here’s where you come in): Accusing an interlocutor of whataboutism can also in itself be manipulative and serve the motive of discrediting, as critical talking points can be used selectively and purposefully even as the starting point of the conversation (cf. agenda setting, framing, framing effect, priming, cherry picking). The deviation from them can then be branded as whataboutism.[citation needed]

                You look like a fool.

    • arin@lemmy.worldEnglish
      13·
      11 months ago

      Both are bad but can we work on our own issues, can’t even make peace within our own Western nations between conservatives and liberals