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“I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no water, no fuel, everything is closed,” Gallant said. “We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly.”

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    No electricity, no food, no water…

    If everyday people have the choice of sitting and starving or doing something about it, I doubt many would go quietly into the night.

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      I always find it odd how people blame “extremists” and the Palestinians for this.

      Israel starts to steal homes, land and killing men, children and women. No one bat an eye to that.

      Then extremists and hate towards Israel came and bam, they are the bad ones suddenly.

      Certainly what Hamas does is entirely wrong however - People cannot expect them be silent and get killed by Israeli forces.

      This is what happens from decades upon decades of oppression.

      This entire conflict was created by Israel stealing land and starting an genocide mission on Palestinians.

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        Israel is colonining with supperior force and mostly quite or support world order.

        Palestinians are fucked. And have been for decades.

        They deff should be fighting for it but this is a futile exercise.

        Either way, the world until recently game Israel blank check but public opinion is changing on these human rights violations by an allegededly modern state.

        Gen Z in the US does seem to be all that interested in continue US support. So Israel got about 20 years to either kill them off or having to deal with palestiains under different political conditions which won’t b as favorable.

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      Even killing every person in Gaza will just bread more extremists. Gazans are not the only Palestinians and they are not the only ones affected by Israeli oppression.

      Israel should negotiate with Hamas NOW and stop the siege on Gaza fully.

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        How do you negotiate with someone that just kidnapped and executed or planning to execute hundreds of civilians?

        What do you ask for here? And what do you give up?

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          11 months ago

          Release Palestinians illegally detained by Israel without trial in place fo the hoostages.

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            You know what. Sure. I think Israel will go for this.

            Release of all illegally detained Palestinians.

            In return, Israel gets

            • safe return of all hostages taken
            • complete surrender of all Hamas leadership
            • complete surrender and custody of all Palestinian combatants
            • including anyone who conspired or otherwise assisted in the recent act of terrorism
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              Feels to me like that wouldn’t work on Hamas’ side. Another situation where Israel is the total winner.

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          How do you negotiate with someone that just kidnapped and executed or planning to execute hundreds of civilians?

          You don’t. There’s no negotiating with terrorists, it’s too late. There is no good solution. The best Israel can do right now is make every effort to target Hamas, minimize civilian casualties and try to rescue as many people as they can.

          If they go nuts and start trying to exterminate in Gaza they’ll just fuel the next terrorist standoffs and keep this going for several more decades.

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            If they go nuts and start trying to exterminate in Gaza they’ll just fuel the next terrorist standoffs and keep this going for several more decades.

            Hey, guess what’s going to happen!

            I hope I’m wrong.

            But I doubt it.

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              I hope so too, but measured and calm behavior is not what I’ve come to expect from Bibi unfortunately.

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      I imagine if Germany or Japan had the same mentality, they wouldn’t be where they are now. A good leader would focus on the future of their own people, not bringing them into destruction.

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      No, decades of extremist indoctrination that is Gazan education system make extremist. Disinformation is what makes extremists. And it’s all being supported by the whole world. Noone in Gaza needs to work, they have EU+US+Qatar welfare system, they have literal nazi shit in their textbooks, they have their stupid religious excuses too, what do you think a young man raised in that filth would do with his free time except slitting throats and launching rockets?

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        Utterly psychotic. Israeli supporters, India bjp supporters, China ccp lap dogs and Russian shills all share the same brain I swear.

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        True, just look at Japan and Germany. They took so much devastation, yet they can rise above others because they don’t have the same mentality as these people.

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          What the actual fuck are you talking about. The Japanese literally used suicide attacks and were so brainwashed they believed suicide was preferable to enemy capture. The Germans literally committed the multiple genocides. They were rehabilitated over time but it took time and effort. Both committed horrific atrocities, yet through international effort, are largely reformed.

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          Japan and Germany both received massive amounts of financial support and investment to basically shape them into allies. If Germany/Japan had just been beaten the shit of and left to fend for themselves under financial and social sanction then we would have already had WW3. What a ridiculous comparison that you need to stop using for this racist tirade of yours.

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            I’m not being racist, it’s just that most of you fail to see the reality of the situation here. Germany and Japan know when to admit defeat. Do you really think they got the assistance straight away after the war? No, they sort themselves out first, and rebuilt their society. The fundings came much later. Germany even had to pay for the cost of the war for years. Over the course of 80 years, you think how many fundings palestine had received from muslim countries AND the west? The funding which were used to buy weapons to attack their neighbour and further radicalized their own children. Don’t forget that it was the palestine who rejected the two-state solution and the muslim countries who jointly attacked israel first. Even now some muslim country still rejects israel’s right to exist.

            I was an avid supporter of palestine for decades, blindly supporting them just because we had the same religion. But now, I’m also thinking from the perspective of the israeli here. If my surrounding neighbours keep threatening my existence, will I just sit around and let them plot my demise? If they just focus on improving themselves, I wouldn’t mind with whatever they’re doing with their lives.

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              May I remind you that Germany not knowing when to admit defeat is what caused WW2? The entire reason Germany and Japan were propped up economically was because the Americans basically shut down the French and British diplomats for causing the fuckup with their treaties after WW1.