• zerfuffle@lemmy.ml
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    11 months ago

    If a stray Hamas rocket can cause this much damage, you really gotta wonder why Hamas hasn’t won this war already given that they have tens of thousands of them.

    Oh wait, what’s that? The sound of the munition used in the strike and the size of the explosion is in line with JDAMs used in prior conflicts, not that of a misfired missile? https://x.com/wyattreed13/status/1714338974544625692?s=20

    You can compare the audio with other uses of JDAMs? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A\_uwzugvv-g

    Huh. I see.

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      11 months ago

      Show me the crater left by the jdam then, the blast site looks like a low powered exlosion that cooked off the petrol tanks of the parked cars.

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        11 months ago

        Again, no indication of secondary detonation.

        Edit: this is even more FUD considering we have even more knowledge of how cooked off petrol tanks behave. They’re low casualty events.

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          11 months ago

          Cooked off petrol tanks =/= petrol tanks hit by a rocket. If you see a plane crash you often get a similar conflagration. The rocket itself may have also contributed fuel to the fire.

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      11 months ago

      Hospitals have a lot of flammable material, and Hamas have been storing ammunition at hospitals. OSINT analysis also points to this being a rocket fired from Palestine.

      The sounds of rockets varies a lot more than you think.

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        11 months ago

        No indication of secondary detonation in any available video.

        Edit: the whole argument of “ammunition stores!” is in bad faith because we’ve literally spent the past two years watching munitions stores cook off in Ukraine. We know what they look like.

        Edit 2: based on audio, it’s pretty hard to argue that this is a fragment of a munition falling out of the sky lol

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          11 months ago

          They’re not saying it’s a fragment from the iron dome stopping the missile, which happens over the desert, they’re saying it’s most likely a failed rocket launch that went off course.

          To argue that the Israelis were able to react so quickly and fire a JDAM at the hospital in response to and while the rockets were firing is itself a stretch.

          All of the available information points to it being fired from within Gaza. It’s only the armchair generals who claim to be able to identify a rocket by the sound (despite having never actually witnessed it themselves) who say otherwise.

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                11 months ago

                According to… Israel?

                Doctors from MSF are claiming 500+ casualties. What exactly do you claim caused 500+ casualties?

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                  I don’t believe Israel in any of this. I believe the abundance of evidence online analysed by geeky people who know their shit.

                  I don’t know who fired it, it could be Israel, but all the evidence available points to it not being a JDAM at it being something fired from within Palestine. If there is evidence to the contrary then I might change my mind, but so far I haven’t come across it, and you’re just posting in anger so it’s not like you’ve got much credibility.

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            11 months ago

            Haphazard georeferencing to other videos indicate that this image is of a different part of the hospital complex. I’m not going to link to the videos of dead and blown apart bodies because of community guidelines, but they’re out there and very clearly not in this area.

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              11 months ago

              then how come there was no significant damage to any of the buildings and no crater?

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                  11 months ago

                  I was repeating a question your previous reply did not answer.

                  I have already addressed the 500+ claim as highly suspicious, given that it was stated almost immediately after the attack. You have not addressed the nature of the explosion not lining up with JDAMs.

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            11 months ago

            I’m sure the MSF is confirming 500+ dead because of no significant damage.

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              500+ dead was quoted instantly, they haven’t counted.

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                  11 months ago

                  Link?

                  Doctors can be just as prone to parroting numbers they’ve heard without checking as anyone else.