I apologize for my ignorance, is this opposition between the Saudi Arabia government and the brotherhood still a big thing? I hadn’t heard about it for a long time and don’t know much about it.
The Brotherhood is basically just moderate ISIS. They’re Pan Islamists who want a worldwide caliphate based on Sharia, the difference with ISIS is that their practice of Islam is more mainstream and they’re more ambivalent on the use of political violence
But that doesn’t matter too much, what does matter is the worldwide caliphate part. In the MB’s ideal world, they’d depose the Gulf Monarchies to add them to the Islamic superstate. This is why Saudis and UAE view them as an existential threat
If only Non-Muslims were aware of this fact. There is nothing stronger than a Muslim’s love for another Muslim, yet simultaneously the opposite is also true. I’m not sure if you’re aware of sects in Islam, but extremists from the two major sects (Sunni’s and Shia’s) absolutely despise each other to the point where they’ll claim the other isn’t a true Muslim.
Obviously the vast majority don’t agree with these extremist views, I’m just referring to the 1% of people who say it out of pure spite and hatred. Although I’m well aware it’s more likely for a Sunni to say it than a Shia. Hell, I don’t have to look further than my own family - one of my uncles actually believes that Shia’s aren’t true Muslims. It’s crazy.
Yes but I say this as someone raised Sunni, Sunni sectarianism (to the point of denial of their Muslimhood) towards Shi’a is far far more prevalent than the other way around.
There is nothing more annoying than people starting a post by implying they know their stuffs only to end up with the most basic, ignorant conclusions.
Those you call extremists are not the extremists of Shia or Sunna,they are their own thing, ISIS is for instance is just a modern freak that combine aspects from the Khawarij and the Assassins with modernist/post-modern elements.
Keep in mind that Sunna weren’t formed as a “sect”, they were the anti-sect guys as such they were always defined as the opposite to whatever new sect was rising untill around the forth-fifth century where the madrassa system started spreading, and who was the very first sect to immerge? The Khawarij, so imagine how annoying it is to confuse sunnists with their very first enemy, Shai weren’t even THAT relevant for many centuries and the prime ideological opponents for sunnist were the Mu’utazillies and similair sects for most of the early centuries.
Not a Muslim, but isn’t it more accurate to just call them Wahabists? It seems to be a pretty accurate description of their ideology than the Isma’ili Assassins and the Khawarij.
No, that is a huge miconception. Wahhabis are specifically the Saudi-brand of salafism. They tend to generally be pro-Saudi (which ISIS certainly isn’t). But it is true that Mohammed ibn Abdul Wahhab’s takfirism (excommunication) has influenced all terror groups. In academia, these groups are usually referred to as “takifirs”.
Meanwhile the Taliban is something all together. They aren’t salafi or wahhabi.
tbh i’m not even sure why the muslim brotherhood is considered “bad”. I’ve heard good things about them - they elected that morsi fellow right? they were pro-democracy, but socially conservative. Morsi went to iran and criticized them for not being democratic… in TEHRAN. man had balls.
The Muslim Brotherhood is bad because of political violence associated with it, Islamist (think Saudi-level) but different school of thought). Just because you encourage democracy doesn’t make you a good group.
I apologize for my ignorance, is this opposition between the Saudi Arabia government and the brotherhood still a big thing? I hadn’t heard about it for a long time and don’t know much about it.
I mean, that’s exactly what the comment you are replying to is saying.
The Brotherhood is basically just moderate ISIS. They’re Pan Islamists who want a worldwide caliphate based on Sharia, the difference with ISIS is that their practice of Islam is more mainstream and they’re more ambivalent on the use of political violence
But that doesn’t matter too much, what does matter is the worldwide caliphate part. In the MB’s ideal world, they’d depose the Gulf Monarchies to add them to the Islamic superstate. This is why Saudis and UAE view them as an existential threat
A little known fact I’m learning these past few weeks is nobody hates muslims more than other muslims
If only Non-Muslims were aware of this fact. There is nothing stronger than a Muslim’s love for another Muslim, yet simultaneously the opposite is also true. I’m not sure if you’re aware of sects in Islam, but extremists from the two major sects (Sunni’s and Shia’s) absolutely despise each other to the point where they’ll claim the other isn’t a true Muslim.
Schrödinger’s Muslim.
There is no mainstream Shia scholar who does not consider Sunnis as Muslims.
Obviously the vast majority don’t agree with these extremist views, I’m just referring to the 1% of people who say it out of pure spite and hatred. Although I’m well aware it’s more likely for a Sunni to say it than a Shia. Hell, I don’t have to look further than my own family - one of my uncles actually believes that Shia’s aren’t true Muslims. It’s crazy.
Yes but I say this as someone raised Sunni, Sunni sectarianism (to the point of denial of their Muslimhood) towards Shi’a is far far more prevalent than the other way around.
There is nothing more annoying than people starting a post by implying they know their stuffs only to end up with the most basic, ignorant conclusions.
Those you call extremists are not the extremists of Shia or Sunna,they are their own thing, ISIS is for instance is just a modern freak that combine aspects from the Khawarij and the Assassins with modernist/post-modern elements.
Keep in mind that Sunna weren’t formed as a “sect”, they were the anti-sect guys as such they were always defined as the opposite to whatever new sect was rising untill around the forth-fifth century where the madrassa system started spreading, and who was the very first sect to immerge? The Khawarij, so imagine how annoying it is to confuse sunnists with their very first enemy, Shai weren’t even THAT relevant for many centuries and the prime ideological opponents for sunnist were the Mu’utazillies and similair sects for most of the early centuries.
Not a Muslim, but isn’t it more accurate to just call them Wahabists? It seems to be a pretty accurate description of their ideology than the Isma’ili Assassins and the Khawarij.
No, that is a huge miconception. Wahhabis are specifically the Saudi-brand of salafism. They tend to generally be pro-Saudi (which ISIS certainly isn’t). But it is true that Mohammed ibn Abdul Wahhab’s takfirism (excommunication) has influenced all terror groups. In academia, these groups are usually referred to as “takifirs”.
Meanwhile the Taliban is something all together. They aren’t salafi or wahhabi.
Muslim brotherhood are the founders and currently affiliated with the some of the most evil people on the planet, like Erdogan, Hamas and Hezbollah.
https://carnegie-mec.org/2018/07/11/flexible-resistance-how-hezbollah-and-hamas-are-mending-ties-pub-76782
TIL Muslims are basically Uchihas. /s
And the biggest victims of Islamic extremism are Muslims themselves.
Forget the sects, it’s basic politics. The Muslim Brotherhood is an ideology that opposes monarchies.
Monarchies hate them.
tbh i’m not even sure why the muslim brotherhood is considered “bad”. I’ve heard good things about them - they elected that morsi fellow right? they were pro-democracy, but socially conservative. Morsi went to iran and criticized them for not being democratic… in TEHRAN. man had balls.
The Muslim Brotherhood is bad because of political violence associated with it, Islamist (think Saudi-level) but different school of thought). Just because you encourage democracy doesn’t make you a good group.
Lamo that isn’t true. Muslim Brotherhood is not a a political terrorist group.
“One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter”
? it literally does.
political violence is associated with palestinians and muslims generally in western media and zionist narratives anyways.
for instances, y’all think jihad is a terrorist slogan, as is allah hu ackbar. *rolleyes*
So gimme a break with that “associated with political violence”. That’s so ambiguous as fuck.
By your logic, the United States is a compassionate nation because they encourage democracy. Many would argue the opposite.