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- technology@lemmy.world
Network neutrality is the idea that internet service providers (ISPs) should treat all data that travels over their networks fairly, without discrimination in favor of particular apps, sites or services
The FCC will meet on October 19th to vote on proposing Title II reclassification that would support accompanying net neutrality protections
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I will post Fuck Ajit Pai every time I see news about net neutrality until it’s fucking back.
F U C K
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Ajit creamPai is just a puppet of the corporations, he’s a dick that’s corrupt and rubbing the fact that he’s corrupt in your face, but he’s just the most visible festering boil on the whole ugly face of our government.
I agree 100%, but I’d rather live without net neutrality than see that nickname catch on
#CreamPai #NetNeutrality
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Fuck yeah spread it
Fuck Ajit Pai!
That dude was such a fucking cunt
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I mean fuck Ajit Pai and all, but that is a very efficient mug and it doesn’t deserve hate for being associated with the grim reaper of digital freedom.
We need to end unjustified hatred of big mugs now.
I use a big mug but Pai’s mug is both unreasonable and hideous.
Glory to you and your coffee mug.
Tea mug, but I accept your praise.
here's the biggest mug I own
you need a banana for scale
I missed the word “post” on the first read through and was rather concerned about your method of protest.
Strong and brave 👏👏👏👏
Well you’re weak and cowardly
Let em know keyboard warrior 👏 👏 👏
That’s great but can we stop rubberbanding our rights in and out of existence?
To do that the current party in favor of removing rights needs to be kept out of power long enough that they conclude that removing rights is an electoral loser and changes their ideology accordingly.
I’m not going to hold my breath.
hopefully at least when ISPs and companies see that it’ll just be back and forth, and that things like “fast lanes” can’t be relied upon in business planning there just won’t be a market for it, or at least the fuckery will be significantly diminished because it’s not reliable long-term
ISP’s are also the same companies that market and sell fast lanes(i.e. 5G), and they have bigger bribing/lobbying pockets than everyone on Lemmy and reddit combined. They ain’t changing shit and will throw money at it to make sure their business models don’t change (hint - look at the supreme court).
as aStonedSanata mentioned, different tech isn’t what we’re talking about: fibre shouldn’t be limited to the speeds of, say ADSL or cable to keep things neutral
what we’re talking about here is, for example, netflix paying your ISP to prioritise traffic to their service over other services… this causes an enormous disadvantage to new startups, because they likely can’t afford to pay a similar fee or even enter into complex agreements with every carrier! in which case, netflix has a better service not because they’re better: just because they’re incumbent
of course these kind of things happen all over the place, but it’s the exact failure of capitalist systems that governments should seek to patch with regulations (like net neutrality) because it’s not good for consumers, the economy, or innovation… which are all the very things that capitalism is meant to promote!
Along with busting monopolies. Which the Biden admin is actually trying to tackle.
New technology is not fast lanes like you are implying though. It’s functionally different equipment. Running services is relatively cheap but expanding them and installing new technology like 5G requires a lot more physical equipment due to 5Gs lower range. So it does indeed cost more. Atleast initially and most likely continuously as it requires more physical equipment. So more failures innately.
I’m aware 5G is new hardware and infrastructure, but my point is ISPs And service carriers are one and the same, and there are multiple business models that throttle speeds (ie premium 4G service vs deprioritized cheaper 4G service), fast lanes in 5G, whatever other QCI stuff the carriers are doing - all stuff they don’t want to change and my point was they will spend money fighting it in court vs willingly changing anything
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It enables low latency fast speed connections to large amounts of devices. Its drawback is that it has a shorter wavelength reducing its range.
https://www.emfexplained.info/site/misc/image/Fullsize/11248.png
This shows integration with the 4G towers.
“The shorter wavelength means 5G can carry a lot of data much faster than 4G, but it also means a much shorter range. 4G wavelengths have a range of about 10 miles. 5G wavelengths have a range of about 1,000 feet, not even 2% of 4G’s range. So to ensure a reliable 5G signal, there needs to be a lot of 5G cell towers and antennas everywhere. We’re talking on every lamppost, traffic light, etc. because even trees can block 5G signals.” https://www.businessinsider.com/5g-high-speed-internet-cellular-network-issues-switch-2019-4
Have to click description to see the transcript.
milimeter wave 5g is way different than the 5G talked bout here.
milimeter wave 5g is way different than the 5G talked bout here.
Elaborate?
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I’m not sure long term viability is a huge concern for them as long as they can make a dollar today.
that’s true, but this would require time and money to implement, market, etc, and would almost certainly require big b2b contracts to be signed
Nope, deformation is the only way to make sure we stay plastic
My internet is run by my coop power company, just a reminder that all the major ISPs took billions and promised fiber and then royalty fucked us, so now my internet is run by a rural power company.
Call your power company and find out if they’re installing fiber. Support this move as it weakens Comcast and AT&T’s death grip.
Net Neutrality has been taken away before and it can be taken away again. Just get with a coop. I’ve torrented literal terabytes without even an email telling me not to .
A coop near us is rolling out 1Gb fiber up/down to rural homes. Considering most of them could only get DSL or use 4G/3G internet, it is amazing. I have to wait to see if they come in town for their rollout, as they have to pay another power company to use their power poles. Everyone I know is switching to the coop as it is cheaper, more stable, and unlimited.
Co-ops are a good thingtm , I belong to several small co-ops, from electric, to telephone, to farm.
my power company is privately owned :(
I didn’t even know co-op power companies were common, it seems like an odd (but good) service to be provided by a co-op. I wonder if there’s any in the UK
This is a better idea than Net Neutrality. Stop begging government to fix things for you when you and your neighbors can just fix it yourself.
Ajit Pai deserve as many middle fingers as this one.
I still remember him and his over-sized knock-off reese’s mug.
John Oliver’s was better.
Waiting for the day someone bonks him in the head with that stupid thing
Fuck a shit pie
Burning in hell would be better
It’s about damn time!!
Hey Ajit Pai, put this in your Reese’s shit cup and suck it
Maybe this will be the one thing that will fix my ISP and let me play online video games without frequent disconnects. I think it’s bad node or something, but I had my ISP at my house over 8 times and they couldn’t figure it out. Meanwhile my unifi gateway shows a high ping at least once a day.
Go spectrum!
I just hope nothing “extra” gets tacked on…
The internet is healing…Don’t look over there, it’s already necrotic…
We just need to cut that part off. Sorry Facebook, Amazon, Google, et al.
Hell yes. Glad to see some sense returning to government if a bit slowly at times
Did anything noteworthy happen as a result of removing net neutrality?
What didn’t happen was internet being classified as a title II telecommunications service. So there’s one consequence.
I was being genuine, there was a lot of doomsayers about what would come next and to my eye nothing changed.
Mobile carriers took advantage almost immediately by offering preferred services that wouldn’t use your mobile data. Listening to Pandora? No problem! Listening to Napster or Tidal? That’s data usage. And that’s a pretty tame example.
Yes, it’s a lot of subtle things like this that are anti competitive in their nature. These things may not seem all doom and gloom but the point is that without regulation there is no stopping them from doing worse.
Xfinity could start throttling streaming services like Netflix in favor of their own streaming service Peacock and there would be nothing to stop them except that it might piss off their customers.
For anyone who was confused by what “vote to propose” means:
If the FCC issues the notice as expected on October 19th, the next steps would be a public comment phase followed by issuance of a final rule. This process could result in a final rule restoring net neutrality requirements around spring of 2024.
Did companies ever actually do anything after net neutrality went away? I still think it’s a great thing to have but just genuinely curious if anything really happened cause I didn’t notice much.
It’s plausible that some of the websites you like run faster because ISPs aren’t throttling them, while throttling the competition.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/08/15/twitter-x-links-delayed/
Idk if this is actually a net neutrality issue because they’re not an ISP but twitter absolutely added delays to links to websites that Musk doesn’t like.
Doesn’t apply; X isn’t an Internet Service Provider. They can screw over their users how they see fit.*
*Within bounds of law.
Edit: added clarification
My understanding is that they mostly haven’t, with a couple exceptions like a few ISPs offering to priorities to pings for gaming (as FeelThePower mentioned), throttle certain protocols (e.g. Torrenting), or refuse to carry traffic for certain sites (e.g. Kiwi Farms). All of this would be prevented under net neutrality.
As far as I’m aware though, an extremely overwhelmingly portion of traffic (like you’d have to do a lot of digging to find an example otherwise) already adheres to net neutrality since it’s pretty pointless for a company to spend resources and goodwill to mess with traffic.
I don’t think too much will change. It is nice in the sense it will prevent an ISP from doing things against specific sites, although like mentioned above most of the protections are theoretical ATM.
Cool, now break up the monopolies while you’re at it FAANG should be like 500 companies, not 5
Can someone tldr what’s net neutrality?
tldr: net neutrality means everything that uses an internet connection is treated equally. EX: cox communications offers a “fast lane” for gamers on their networks, but if all connections were treated neutrally, everything would be as fast as possible by default without the need for an upgraded service plan.
Thanks
That’s actually kinda backwards.
User speeds can still be tiered under net neutrality. But the same cap must be applied to all data.
So they can’t slow down a user’s Twitch connection versus their connection to YouTube live streaming. It all has to be treated the same.
A good example was when T-Mobile had 2 gig data plans, but uncapped Netflix usage. So YouTube, Prime Video, etc were at a huge disadvantage to Netflix for those phone users.
Can someone tldr what’s net neutrality?
Simplified, your ISP cannot favor one company over another when delivering their website content to your computer. All data must be delivered equally.
What would you all say if I started an ISP that offered $3 a month for service only to a handful of websites? That would be prohibited under Net Neutrality, yet I could see something like that being useful to plenty of people, like my grandparents who use the Internet only to send emails and check their local news.
Websites arent just one domain, they use all different kinds of CDN’s and external content. If you only whitelist certain domains then virtually all sites would be broken anyways.
