Israel is vowing to wipe out Hamas in a relentless onslaught on the Gaza Strip but has no obvious endgame in sight, with no clear plan for how to govern the ravaged Palestinian enclave even if it triumphs on the battlefield.
You are correct in that the right wing, as a formal and major part of this current administration, is pushing for genocide and ethnic cleansing.
Hands down. No doubt.
But most of the air force is center/left.
A lot of the ground soliders are center/left.
They were protesting against th government 13 days ago.
It is not a professional army, it is a citizens army
There are quotes of soliders, officers and generals in reserves saying “We will do what needs to be done, but we won’t commit the war crimes you’re asking.”
Almost verbatim.
Which also garnered facist answers that they are traitors and deserve a traitor’s fate etc…
And even now, during the war, a citizen who’s family was abducted and went to protest the government was struck by regime cultists.
It is not black and white, not good and evil, despite what the crime minister is saying.
There are quotes of soliders, officers and generals in reserves saying “We will do what needs to be done, but we won’t commit the war crimes you’re asking.” Almost verbatim.
I mean they then proceeded to bomb Palestinians who were supposed to be in safe locations or fleeing along safe routes. Not saying the IDF is fall of war criminals that wanna drink the blood of Palestinian children, but “we won’t commit the war crimes you’re asking” is a little too late.
If you’ve talking about the hospital, the IDF provided proof from intelligence footage and al-jazeera showing it was a misfire, and it hit a parking lot, not the actual hospital.
Otherwise, what IDF is doing is bombing where they know there are Hamas terrorists, and they don’t notify the Palestinian civilians to get out of the way.
I don’t know if that’s a war crime, especially since the IDF told Palestinian civilians to go south, but human shields is an issue too. A moral one.
Or maybe I’m misinformed and you know something I don’t, or we disagree on something.
No I’m not talking about that one. Remember a week or so ago when they designated evacuation spots that would be safe from airstrikes then airstriked those locations? Remember when they bombed trucks full of people evacuating south, as ordered, along designated safe routes? According to my understanding, these are blatant war crimes.
Didn’t find that specific truck reference, but I did find. BBC reference from yesterday that people in Khan Younis were bombed after being told to head south of Wadi Gaza. They were bombed because of Hamas presence.
I don’t know if attacking terrorists that hold human hostages as shields is a war crime, but it sure as shit sounds awful. Especially since the civilians can’t always tell they’re being actual human shields.
The laws of war require armies to avoid deliberately targeting civilians, and also to avoid attacks that by their nature cannot distinguish between civilians and combatants. In particular, in Gaza, because it’s such a densely populated urban area, when you fire explosive weapons on a massive scale, it’s predictable that civilians will die. It’s predictable that children will die.
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Even Israel doesn’t have a blank check to recreate the holocaust in broad daylight. A ground invasion to stamp out terror is cleaner in that sense.
Note: I could be very, very wrong, but the ruling Israeli far right has been pretty clear about what they wanna do to Gaza.
You are correct in that the right wing, as a formal and major part of this current administration, is pushing for genocide and ethnic cleansing. Hands down. No doubt.
But most of the air force is center/left. A lot of the ground soliders are center/left. They were protesting against th government 13 days ago.
It is not a professional army, it is a citizens army There are quotes of soliders, officers and generals in reserves saying “We will do what needs to be done, but we won’t commit the war crimes you’re asking.” Almost verbatim.
Which also garnered facist answers that they are traitors and deserve a traitor’s fate etc…
And even now, during the war, a citizen who’s family was abducted and went to protest the government was struck by regime cultists.
It is not black and white, not good and evil, despite what the crime minister is saying.
I mean they then proceeded to bomb Palestinians who were supposed to be in safe locations or fleeing along safe routes. Not saying the IDF is fall of war criminals that wanna drink the blood of Palestinian children, but “we won’t commit the war crimes you’re asking” is a little too late.
If you’ve talking about the hospital, the IDF provided proof from intelligence footage and al-jazeera showing it was a misfire, and it hit a parking lot, not the actual hospital.
Otherwise, what IDF is doing is bombing where they know there are Hamas terrorists, and they don’t notify the Palestinian civilians to get out of the way.
I don’t know if that’s a war crime, especially since the IDF told Palestinian civilians to go south, but human shields is an issue too. A moral one.
Or maybe I’m misinformed and you know something I don’t, or we disagree on something.
Please elaborate.
No I’m not talking about that one. Remember a week or so ago when they designated evacuation spots that would be safe from airstrikes then airstriked those locations? Remember when they bombed trucks full of people evacuating south, as ordered, along designated safe routes? According to my understanding, these are blatant war crimes.
Didn’t find that specific truck reference, but I did find. BBC reference from yesterday that people in Khan Younis were bombed after being told to head south of Wadi Gaza. They were bombed because of Hamas presence.
I don’t know if attacking terrorists that hold human hostages as shields is a war crime, but it sure as shit sounds awful. Especially since the civilians can’t always tell they’re being actual human shields.
What a nightmare.
Why were they ordered to head to a location that has Hamas presence?
Also, another similar incident:
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-gaza-area-bombed-after-warning-to-move
If both these locations had Hamas presence then that’s a massive failure on the part of the IDF.
Also articles about the bombed refugee trucks.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-rcna120252
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/14/gaza-civilians-afraid-to-leave-home-after-bombing-of-safe-routes
According to this interview with someone from the Human Rights Watch, it is considered a war crime (if I understand it correctly):