New polling shows national Republicans and Iowa Republican caucusgoers were more interested in “law and order” than battling “woke” schools, media and corporations.

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    1 year ago

    That is such a stupid whatabout. Even if you can’t get a universal definition for “assault weapon” you can at least get as far as “rifle that kills people.” With “woke” we have… “this offends me or makes me feel icky.”

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      1 year ago

      Any rifle can kill people.

      Are you suggesting that when people talk about restrictions on assault rifles that the restrictions should apply to all rifles, and that the term “assault” is completely superfluous?

      Not trying to be antagonistic, but when you start talking about restrictions and regulations, definitions matter.

      And having a discussion about terms you can’t, or aren’t willing to clarify and be specific about seems like a bad faith position. Or at least an indefensible one. Like saying we should lock up “bad people” but refusing to get specific on what constitutes “bad”.

      Unfortunately, “assault rifle” is a term without a specific, clear definition, so when people suggest it as a distinction between weapons they want to regulate/outlaw/criminalize and weapons they don’t… it’s only natural that the next logical question is for a concrete definition, if only to establish a starting point for a reasonable discussion and establishing common ground.

      Getting frustrated at someone for asking for clarification of a term being invoked as a key determining factor of a proposed law just makes it that much harder to have a conversation about it.

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        1 year ago

        What are you even talking about? I’m talking about the fact that there’s a clearer definition for ‘assault rifle’ than there is for ‘woke.’ You know, the subject of this thread?

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          1 year ago

          Except that despite your belief, if anything, your lack of ability/willingness to actually clearly and unambiguously define “assault rifle” indicates the opposite of your assertion.

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            The people who use the term “assault rifle” are unanimously using it to mean a gun that can shoot more people than you’d be able to with a hunting rifle, handgun, or shotgun in a short span of time

            That’s specifically what they’re against

            “Woke” is a grab bag of personal grievances that is meaningless other than the only universal common thread being “democrats are for it”

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            1 year ago

            Sure, I’ll do that as soon as you unambiguously define ‘woke’ as Conservatives use it. Good luck with that one.

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              I never claimed to try to.

              I’m not defending conservatives here, no matter how much you may think otherwise; just pointing out that this assault rifle comparison is equally ambiguous and nonsensical.

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      That is such a stupid whatabout. Even if you can’t get a universal definition

      I thought we were talking about defining terms? How is asking to define a term whataboutism?

      you can at least get as far as “rifle that kills people.”

      Any rifle that’s ever killed an individual is an assault weapon? That’s why non-crazies think the push against AW’s are stupid, because you just say dumb shit like that

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        Any rifle that’s ever killed an individual is an assault weapon?

        I never even implied such a thing. You are being highly disingenuous by saying so. The suggestion was that it was a subset of rifle, which is more definition than you can give for “woke.”

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          Even if you can’t get a universal definition for “assault weapon” you can at least get as far as “rifle that kills people.”

          Was this what you said?

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            Oh for fuck’s sake, I apparently left out an indefinite article. “A rifle that kills people.” Happy?

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              If my .22 kills someone, should every .22 be considered an assault rifle?

              You aren’t clarifying anything. If you have an argument state it, stop pussy footing around.

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                Do you not understand what a subset is or are you just going to continue to accuse me of saying every rifle is an assault rifle when I already told you that’s not what I said? I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you aren’t ignorant, just dishonest. I would request that you stop being so now. Alternatively, I can just block you.

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                  Do you not understand what a subset is or are you just going to continue to accuse me of saying every rifle is an assault rifle when I already told you that’s not what I said?

                  Then tell me what the fuck you’re saying dude. You’ve just found yourself in a losing position and are trying to back out of it. Tell me straight up, what’s an assault weapon.

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                    It is, as I already said, a subset of rifle, which, again, is more definition than you can make for ‘woke.’ Now, are you going to stop putting words in my mouth and accept what I have now told you more than once?