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  • Also, in your analogy, these people are somehow magically just moving in as if space and housing is freely available

    This is exactly how Jews immigrated to mandatory Palestine. They bought houses or land and moved in.

    Also, why should the original neighbors have to negotiate with a group of people who moved in against their will

    They have the choice to negotiate or not, but if they choose war and lose, then their lot is to reckon with the consequences of their actions. Vae victus, as the Gauls said to the Romans.

    Besides all of that, if we just take the history out of it completely, and just look at the last 8 months: does Israel seem to you like a sane nation

    Not entirely. It seems like a nation which has been radicalized by decades of failures at peace initiatives and the same decades of unrelenting violence directed at their civilians. But at least they didn’t start the war in Gaza.


  • Countries aren’t houses and your analogy is fatally flawed. I’ll write you a better one.

    Let’s say I live in a neighborhood. New people move into this neighborhood, people who say their ancestors used to live here. Fine, whatever, the HOA let them in and I’m fine with it.

    Enough of these people move into this neighborhood and have a different enough culture that they decide they want to form their own HOA.

    What is my appropriate response to this situation? Should I negotiate which houses belong to the new HOA and which to the old? Or should I decide that the best thing to do is to violently kick all those people out of the neighborhood and shoot anyone who wants a new HOA?

    Because the second thing is 1948. Arabs declared war, lost and lost badly, and have been trying to unwind the consequences of their belligerence ever since - usually with more belligerence.