Ah I don’t have that many extensions in Mediawiki so I have probably had a smoother experience that you.

Thanks for describing your wiki setup. Being able to look back at all your events in a sort of giant scrapbook must be awesome. I’m not quite sure it will do the job I’m looking for, but I really like the idea so I think I’ll have a deeper play.

I have non-technical users doesn’t mean it won’t work for us, because I’m sure they can read even if they can’t edit, and that’s mostly what they would be doing with any solution. Looks like there’s also an android app.

I agree with you on how core emoji reactions are. They solve many problems and I at times I’ve also wished Lemmy had them, but given that I can’t even find a platform that is private by default and supports a good video user experience. It’s clear I’m going to have to settle in some respect.

Is federation or similar mandatory for you? As in, do you want something that allows your users to interact with users that are not part of your family and not on your platform, eventually able to completely replace the mainstream social media? Or is a completely closed platform ok, in terms of it’s only your family and friends, and people have to go elsewhere (e.g. back to facebook) to interact with others?

Personally I’m not as wary of HumHub just because of it’s commercial nature. Maybe a little, because some features are paywalled. But for example, I use Nextcloud, developed by a company, and trust it more for this task because of that. I use Photoprism, which the base edition is FOSS but they have proprietary extras that you pay for (like HumHub). I use Home Assistant, though I think they recently transitioned to a non-profit so maybe that’s a little different, but they charge for a cloud connected component. I use ente, who are FOSS but are a company that charge if you don’t want to selfhost.

HumHub have been around 10 years, so they aren’t exactly new. Plus as it’s extendable, perhaps one day a gfycat or emoji reaction plugin will be added (or if you have the skills, maybe you could make one).

I don’t even care about encryption (except normal TLS). If the intent is that it’s for sharing within the family, generally with people being able to see each others’ stuff, and I also control the server, it doesn’t seem that important.

Circles seems like it might fit much of what you’re after. It’s based on Matrix and is intended for this kind of use case, but I don’t think it’s mature enough to onboard everyone to just yet. Them having lost FUTO funding means it will also probably develop at a slower rate now that’s it’s back to volunteer time (with the main devs likely losing enthusiasm after having that funding cut).

Wow, good effort on that!

you can boost or favorite, but I am – and I think you are probably – looking for something with more variety, like emoji responses, right?

Honestly, this is low down on my list. Yes, it would be great, but I have had enough trouble finding something that handles uploading videos ok. Emoji responses are not a mandatory thing for me.

Pixelfed is an interesting suggestion. It always feels like it’s intended to be public. Were you thinking each user would have to configure default privacy settings? I can see how to restrict to followers but haven’t yet found how to stop anyone being able to follow you. I think for me, if a new user has to set up the privacy settings to stop them posting everything public, that’s probably not the right platform.

BTW there is PixelDroid as a dedicated Pixelfed app, but it’s only on Fdroid.

I personally have a Mediawiki set up that my wife and I have used for years, but it’s not something I want to share wider. I haven’t found it hard to maintain, though (I’m using the docker version).

How do you use the Dokuwiki? Do you create a page for each family event with pictures and videos and things? Then other people can go and have a look? What kind of organisation structure do you use? How do others learn that there is a new page to see?

Oh I should investigate the plugins.

With your family, do you have non-technical and elderly users participating and doing OK with it?

Normally we are a small enough market that it takes a while to be worth sorting out whether they comply with our laws.

One that comes to mind is that data can only be used for the purpose it’s collected, so I suspect adding this and opting people in would probably not be allowed. Grey area though, as it’s not clear to me (IANAL) whether updating TS & Cs and telling people would be enough to be considered getting user consent. I suspect not, though, I think it would need to be opt in so you’ve actively got user consent.

So, most likely it’s because our privacy laws are a bit stronger than their threshold, but also possibly because a small country of 5 million people (where paypal isn’t that common) isn’t worth spending lawyers on to work out if they are allowed to.

In my experience, sites aren’t implementing their own credit card payments. Paypal and Stripe are common, and there are a couple of local payment portals as well.

If it’s not one of those I probably wouldn’t use it, but in general it would never be the case that you can’t pay with a credit card, where as PayPal is probably an option 1/3 of the time.

Might just be US for now until they sort out the legality of it in more privacy focused countries.

I’ve tried Flarum in the past, but it really doesn’t handle media well. Just looking on the demo site now, no option to add a video, and to post an image you need to use markdown to add an image URL.

Is that different when it’s not the demo site?

My Data & Privacy section doesn’t have anything that seems relevant:

I don’t see this option. Is it only in specific countries?

PayPal didn’t come to my country until after online banking was already established, so I probably get a different experience. Banks here also issue (Visa) debit cards for free with a standard no fee bank account, so pretty much everyone has one. Debit cards being like a credit card in terms of paying online, but it uses money in your account.

Our biggest ebay-like site has their own payment portal for instant payments, done to copy what eBay did with paypal except you can’t use it outside of paying for things you bought on that site. But people are generally paying wuth a debit/credit card. And bank transfers are very common, but I wasn’t buying stuff online in 2001 so I’m not sure what it was like then.

Even today, paying with paypal in my country is far more likely to be a credit/debit card payment than a bank account one.

As someone who is concerned that users won’t be able to work out how to upload a video, asking users to install Fdroid seems a step too far.

Is it really that unusual to pay online with a debit/credit card? I would consider that the standard way and PayPal an option sometimes available.

It’s simple enough for me. And many of the people who have grown up with technology can probably work it out. But there is a huge difference in effort between the two.

Say my 70 year old uncle (that does not live nearby) needs to install Conversations.

Maybe we should agree to disagree, but I do not think I can just leave people to invite other people and sort it out on their own. I’m gonna be spending my days hand holding people. Maybe my family is dumber than average.

It seems clear they just wanted to be the first in NZ to create an AI ad and then use that as part of their marketing strategy to get more views.

I can’t wait until the microtargeting that big tech does to manipulate people extends to high quality AI generated TV shows that are generated for each person in order to manipulate your political views.

In my experience none of the federated platforms handle video well, especially the facebook like platforms. They are built around things being public, and expect you to upload to youtube or some other video site in order to post a video. If they let you upload videos at all, it’s as an attachment. Admittedly HumHub is a bit like that, but it’s not too janky from a user experience perspective.

One thing I liked about Zusam is the automatic resizing of videos to make them reasonably sized. If I record a 2 minute video, it can be 300 or 400MB. Zusam can be configured to resize the video to a set maximum size in order to make it more reasonable for people watching. HumHub doesn’t do this, but I have wondered if I could use a cron job and ffmpeg to do it.

Do you want this social media to be for your family to use only with family members or for them to use with family and beyond?

I haven’t decided yet. Initially we’d start with people who know our kids. But if some of those people wanted to set up a page for their own kids, they wouldn’t want some of the people on our page who they don’t know. And they might want people on their page that don’t know our kids. So then all the HubHub privacy settings come in handy where people can create a space and control who can see what.

Revolt could be good as a local family group chat if you like the discord style.

I don’t really think that’s something that will be familiar enough to people, especially grant parents and other family of that generation. And I don’t think a group chat is what I’m after, self hosting a group chat doesn’t seem to have many advantages over say a Signal group chat.

You’ve probably already tried it but Pixelfed/mastodon/misskey sound like the easiest to get family on board with and seem like they would be good family social media platforms IMO.

These are generally public, and even if you have it set up as a private instance with no federation then it still feels like a shouting at the void kind of platform. None of the family I have in mind use twitter or mastodon, but everyone uses facebook. So I’m aiming for that sort of a feel. But IMO Friendica is not something I feel is good enough yet from a user experience point of view, the same with Diaspora*.

All the corporate gamification feature are probably quite annoying.

I might have missed that. What features are you thinking about? I haven’t seen any points or badges or things like that?

I don’t think Lemmy is really a good format for this. Many of the users won’t be familiar with Reddit or forums, and it’s better suited to strangers ranking things with the votes. Facebook style I think works better for people who now each other, and especially when they are only familiar with facebook.