Because OP literally only asked who’s seen it all the answers here are plain yes/no ay?

This “you have to experience something to comment on it” is liberal individualism anyway. I don’t have to be a farmer to comment on the impact of climate change on farming or climate change more broadly.

You’d have a point if I had commented on the movie’s writing, aesthetic, picture, acting performances, score, etc. But I didn’t. I made a general point about the nature of cultural products under capitalism and the laws that govern this movie as much as any other.

Haven’t seen it, don’t plan to, don’t care to tbh.

But having talked to some people about it, this is my takeaway: “Messaging” is simply a new tool of marketing, especially “subversive” messaging. You’re not buying a car - you’re committing a revolutionary act of activism against climate change and fossil capitalism. You’re not buying an ethically farmed, grass-fed, local steak, you’re fighting animal cruelty and big farming lobbies with your consumption. You’re not simply dressing up skandidly in pink to watch a multi-hundred million dollar Hollywood production of Barbie produced and approved of by its parent company, giving new legitimacy to that old rubber toy franchise and boosting sales numbers. You’re totally subverting gender roles and criticizing capitalism by doing so.

Imo you’re not. You’re just buying a new car, munching another steak and going to the movies again promoting one of the most famous IPs of all time. It’s the same thing we’ve done our entire lives. Changing the messaging around the act without changing the act, doesn’t change the act. You’re just doing the thing.

There can’t be anything really subversive coming out of the hegemonic culture industry. By the very nature of its production, via the commodification it undergoes, it has already become toothless and assimilated. Neoliberal anti-capitalism is just the newest sales-pitch. It’s along the lines of “diverse” CIA targeting officer recruitment ads. Just like capitalism can’t produce true anti-war movies, it can’t produce anti-capitalist or real anti-gender-role movies. It would be self-defeating if it did.

That being said, if you enjoy it more power to you. Nobody needs a grand narrative of subversion and messaging to go see and enjoy a movie at the theater. If you get something deeper out of it, even better.

Same honestly. At the very least it would’ve taken longer or gone via very different routes. I was already very far in radicalization before I found that sub, but it did play a big part in transfering that radical energy into praxis. But GZD was explicitly not about discussing with libs, it was dunking and meming on them. It was the discussions among comrades that I found most valuable to me. Comrades talking about their organizing efforts in the real world that got me motivated. That was something I had not experienced in real-life before and that’s what I sought and found in real organizing.

Basically if there were patty’s with some teeth they would enforce party discipline and education and that would lead to higher quality discourse online.

Not necessarily. Comrades that engage in actual praxis in RL mostly just don’t care enough to engage in discussions online. I can certainly attest to that. Since I started organizing offline my interest in engaging with libs online has stopped almost entirely. It’s time consuming, annoying, unpleasant and for the most part simply unproductive. 99% of people of any political affiliation do not engage in good-faith debate online - including me and most comrades here. The time I have for political activism is sparse and I can do more productive things with it than talk to a liberal who’s just gonna reply with a sissy-pee social credit meme to a comment I took 30mins to write. RL discussions for the most part are much better in this regard, because the human component shines through much more and you tend to pre-select the people you engage with to a much larger extent. Getting into political discussions with people completely opposed to your view doesn’t happen that much, whereas it is the standard online.

Is there anyway to work on like, an online party discipline?

For existing real-life parties going online maybe, but their energy is used much better elsewhere. For a bunch of randos like us? I don’t think so tbh. We are not organized, there’s no discipline, no organizational structure, no mechanisms to enforce things, no participation to come to conclusions and analysis.

I agree that communists in 2023 have to use the online space productively. Creating platforms like lemmygrad, producing content like podcasts, videos, articles, streams, etc is just much more worth-while (and even that’s limited) and lends itself more to concerted efforts than discussions with dorky libs.

Fuckin hell that comment section is such a cesspool I had to comment there for the first time. If I bust a vein from that stress you’ll be responsible for that lethal dose of liberalism, comrade

The absolute effect of liberalism on women’s perception of themselves and their role in the world

Capitalism’s ability to provide moral and ideological cover for the self-commodification of every aspect of humanity is incredible. 100 years ago you’d have to force women to do this, today some are not just willing to do it, but see it as a noble cause and contribution for the war machine of empire.

people in so many socialist countries just rose up and overthrew their own governments

Where do you get the impression from that the people rose up and overthrew their governments?

Well some parts of Wagner apparently tried the dumbest semi-coup against the MoD. Seems like this was known in advance, because some videos, etc by the RAF were spread immediately. Western media reacted so fast, it looks kinda sus too, especially factoring in that Navalny called on the Russian military to join Wagner.

Also Putin being the revisionist he is dared to compare this to February 1917.

Omg yes, your alienated, depressed, average as wage-slave life would be so much better if Western venture capitalists and arms manufacturers could loot and destroy another nation, that would be so heckin based

The whole thing as in there is something happening, just not the Russian army shelling Wagner forces. That part seems fake, but not Wagner doing something and the government reacting. Because people unironically believe all of it is a psyop. The messages by TASS, Peskov, FSB, the generals, Prigozhin - all fake to idk “troll the Ukrainians” or something.

The video showing the supposed shelled Wagner base looks super fake and I don’t think that happened, but I don’t think this whole thing is fake like people on TG say

Gotta agree. While I enjoy just vibing with the comrades here, having those clashes adds hilarity, memes and develops a culture that made eg GZD so unique.

Wild. I dismissed the reddit thing as some niche, performative stunt a few libs there would screech about for a day or two and didn’t really pay attention to it beyond that. Didn’t expect more than a couple handful of people making the switch tbh…seems like I was off by an order of magnitude or two lol

Hope hexbear joins soon, then the based peoples combined can effectively stir some shit on /All and scare the libs there

I was gonna edit my post, because I clicked around some more and saw that too. There’s even a Porn lemmy now lmao. Mad how much everything has grown. Is all of that from the reddit thing or has it been growing over the past year?

On a related note, I only browse Local ever since I signed up here a year ago and iirc back then Lemmy itself sometimes had less activity than lemmygrad. Because of this post I just checked it out again and fucking hell it’s grown.

If/when hexbear federates just between them, lemmy and us the fediverse should be over 2k daily users soon.

Am I wrong here for not supporting Russia?

Nobody here is supporting anyone in this war. At most people on the internet are cheerleading for a war they’re so alienated from it’s become a team spectable to be consumed in their leasure time. Nobody here is sending weapons, money or doing anything tangible to support Russia in this war.

Most users on here, however, probably hold the opinion that a victory for Western imperialism in Ukraine would have worse ramifications for the world. And if anything is abundant, it’s Western people and media screeching about Russian imperialism. I don’t think there’s a need for principled communists to preach to that choir.

they probably figured it was about time to ruin Star Wars

They did that a while ago lol

RWA had some interesting perspective on this recently that goes a bit against the narrative of “Ukraine is pulling people off the streets, because there’s nobody left”. Essentially what they said was that Ukraine is such a poorly centralized and governed state with a weak bureaucracy nobody knows how many people live in the country and where, the war and refugee situation only exaggerated this. Estimates of Ukrainian population before the war ranged between 30 and 40 mio, because afaik they haven’t been able to administer a census this century.

So the problem according to that isn’t so much that there’s nobody left physically, but that they’re struggling heavily to reach the people that are or should be there, if they even know these people exist. Hence the pulling people off the streets - they just can’t reach them any other way.

What you posted is based though

It’s terminally online cringe garbage. How any self respecting communist can repost stuff like this or take it seriously in any way at all is beyond me.

There’s a clear difference between analyzing the reasons for this war, the benefits a Russian victory might have and the terror a Russian defeat would bring and whatever abomination this bs is and the reddit brain needed to celebrate this or “z post”.