Good for them!

Fuck the abuse of crunch.

So when can we expect the mass influx of users to lemmy etc?

Okay, that’s fair we didn’t think of gameplay related questions or a devlog, though in that case FAQs on a site, blogs, a wiki, mastodon (like you said), or we suppose open matrix rooms (that allow guests) would work as well for some if not all of those things.

Yes, we were also talking about that.

We think it shouldn’t be on a closed platform that isn’t indexable.

I don’t want to join a messenger or social network to have a question answered. I strongly believe some{one/many} should be able to ask a question or a dev should be able to do a notification on an open and least indexable platform so any{one/many} can see it without having to create an account.

The web for this kind of stuff should be open, not closed.

Benefits devs in trying to communicate with users too, that way they only have to say something once.

For this kind of thing, yup or issue trackers.

Ioo they really shouldn’t, no idea what was ‘wrong’ with just using github, gitlab, forgejo etc, but those are the places that development should be done, not on messengers or social media.

Especially because you can allow guests on Matrix.

But seriously, no, they shouldn’t, they should stop thinking tech reports, issues and distribution should be on a platform not made for them. A lot of people don’t want to join a ‘community’ just to submit an issue, we already have issue trackers etc: Github, gitlab, forgejo to name but a few.

Discord and Matrix are not places to do tech development and interact with those that use your products, code and projects ioo.

They’re so close to figuring it out but don’t have that much self awareness, or perhaps just have cognitive disonance about it.

Yeah, we truly despise that if help is wanted/neeed or changes have to be done for some things it must be done on discord? Why? I don’t want to join a ‘community’ just to ask for something, I’d rather just open an issue.

So we refuse to join, and just open an issue and hope it’s noticed.

This is fair. I was more responding to the person in the picture’s point that we care more that other people who don’t have the skills or perhaps ability to write can now when no, that’s not really the problem.

But you do raise a good point.

Okay, show me a system that was only trained on data given with explicit permission and hopefully compensation and I’ll happily be fine with it.

But that isn’t what these capitalists, tech obsessives etc they have done. They take take take and give nothing back.

They do not understand nor care about consent, that’s the crux of the issue.

I couldn’t care less if all the training data was consensual.

Almost like a country, system and organisation founded on racism etc is always going to have that problem, not to mention that along with that comes a good deal of needing to find ‘wrongdoing’ to justify their existance.

This system and these organisations are rotten to the core and need to end.

Everyone does wrong things in wars. However, yes that belief is egregious and should be rectified.

Just one?

I think this is a false equivilance. One knife manufacturer doesn’t control all the knives on the market. Telegram had the ability to do something about it and didn’t.

even the things that replaced it at this point are getting run into the ground and require replacing.

How so and what ‘mass market’ messengers are there that could replace them?

I have scoured and tried many messengers and most of them are just plain either not there yet or never will be.

The only one that is actually private and good I have come across is Signal and it doesn’t seem like it is either “run into the ground” nor does it “need replacing”.

I just don’t see anything else becoming ‘mass market’ as most of them are too niche or are developed only for tech obsessives and paranoid folks, with either not always on e2ee or suspect business practices or just not on all platforms or never will be.

Okay? Pirating isn’t fun?

Anyway, what about the other issues I mentioned with SimpleX such as funding/business structure and no easy syncing?

You are assuming a lot about me, which is fair since I didn’t give much to work with, but not accurate. Though, Android tablets are not all that great in my experience with them.

SimpleX isn’t a fun or customisable messenger, so most people will not use it until it has the other features that Telegram or Signal have. Its funding sources/business structure are suspect, it could easily end up sold off and/or enshitified.

Also, SimpleX doesn’t have easy or in some cases possible (as it isn’t possible to access the file structure completely on some OSs) profile/message syncing on all platforms.

Finally, SimpleX isn’t fully compatible with all devices and sticks them in an awful looking mode with no prioritised plans to fix this, Telegram and a few others don’t have this problem.

Briar isn’t on all platforms yet, so that’s why there.

Eh, I don’t know if it was illegitimate or not considering he allowed abuse to carry on on the platform for years and due to no encryption it was well known about.

I hope either people using the platform or telegram itself learn their lesson and the people using it leave for better platforms or telegram finally add meaningful encryption and stop pretending that they can sit back and do nothing.

No, I’m not suggesting abuse should be allowed to carry on just because it moved to encrypted messengers, nor that all the ‘illegal’ things that happened on it are bad (something being illegal doesn’t mean it is unethical inherently), just that those doing nothing unethical deserve protection and telegram doesn’t provide it.

As for the rest well, they deserve to be taken down and kept well away from anything that would enable them to abuse.

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Imagine using a messenger without meaningful end-to-end encryption and expecting privacy and no moderation forever.