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Cake day: June 12th, 2023

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  • The US is incredibly powerful and arresting even a former president is massive international news. No country wants to deal with the nightmare of the US response to that, which would be extremely hard to predict.

    They dont typically charge presidents in the US either, it’s been the long standing opinion of the justice department it’s not worth the political trouble. Also “war crimes” are a complex series of international treaties and laws enforced through international cooperation. Thats why you don’t ever see any powerful heads of state tried in court, the international community is not interested in enforcing international law at gun point. It would also be harder to convict under US law, because most countries national laws rarely codify treaty or international law like that. That trial would also need to adhere to US legal standards for evidence and beyond reasonable doubt, which is a pretty high bar of proof, especially for the rich and powerful, and for a crime committed in another country.

    Lastly, and most importantly, it’s an extremely political question. It’s easy to look at death tolls and call it a war crime, but the US had direct geopolitical events pull them into both wars. The level of violence present in both wars is extremely typical of any large conflict, a significant portion of the world’s leaders would be eligible to be convicted for war crimes if that’s how we decide to draw the line. Those leaders will fight tooth and nail to prevent that from happening, regardless of what show they put on for tabloids.

    I want to be clear, the US committed “war crimes” under any reasonable definition a layman would expect. They used strategic torture operations, and had multiple war prisons with systemic abuse of prisoners. They used an extended drone campaign with much too high of tolerances for civilian casualties and refused to hold themselves or soldiers responsible for almost anything. They knew the military had a problem with both internal and civilian rapes, but spent decades ignoring it and fighting taking prosecutorial control away from the perpetrators direct commander/friend. The unfortunate fact is that is how pretty much every war is conducted, many have been far, far worse. That doesn’t really justify it, but it does explain why a lot of world leaders get real quiet when we start talking about specific examples of unacceptable violence.

    Hell look what it took to actually get indictments for Trump once he had significant political backing, or how little real consequence Putin himself has experienced despite a lot of evidence for ethnic cleansing attempts. The simple fact of the matter is the powerful will not be held accountable for their war crimes and general lack of humanity, not until they are no longer powerful for whatever reason. The US literally has a law allowing them to invade the Hague, a close military and strategic ally, if they need to free an American. It’s called “The American Service-Members’ Protection Act”, and its a monument to American cowardice, but the unfortunate truth is that’s how most countries behave.



  • Somewhat expected, probably will be multiple waves of people joining with small declines in the months immediately after. Some of those less engaged individuals will come back too, and some of each wave will stay. I stayed from this last wave of reddit users. I’ve been using three lemmy accounts and my Mastodon since the incident. I intend to keep doing it, it’s been a lot fun.