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Cake day: June 11th, 2023

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  • None the less, in my first post I spesifically pointed out that I am not looking for “just remove meat”, which was the point. And your answer was “well these foods are good if you just remove the meat”.

    I know what you asked. But no, that is not what I said.

    I did not say “remove the meat”. I pointed out that all these meals are vegetarian until you add the meat. None of them are intrinsically meat-based.

    This is EXACTLY what I mean when I say you need a change of mindset, if you actually want to try.

    However, I find that the modern vegetarian cousine has stagnated because of the need to sell “meatlesd meat”.

    I have no idea where you are looking, but nothing could be further from the truth. Vegetarian options have flourished because more people are moving to a meat-free diet.

    I have tried a lot of “vegan options”, and as said, I am not looking to turn vegan. That is why I can decide NOT to compromise when it comes to meat.

    And of course, you think pretty much every vegan dish is a compromise, and so you will continue to not try. Convenient!

    And if you want to convert people to veganism, you need to change of mindset.

    Bite me :)

    A recipe is a start.

    I’ve suggested three already, I’m sorry you have trouble reading.


  • This is why people who eat mainly meat don’t even consider vegan food.

    No, the reason is that you have invented a false history to justify not even trying.

    There are entire cultures where eating meat is either a rare occasion, or simply never done, even though they have access to meat and livestock.

    People eat what they had available. Sometimes that was meat, many times it wasn’t.

    Just one recipe. Is that too much?

    A simple vegetable soup is easy and nutritious. Most curries are vegetable-first and only become non-vegetarian by choosing to add meat instead of something like lentils or checkpeas. Vegetable lasagna is decadent and satisfying.

    There are near-infinite recipes available of food that is plant-based and tastes good. But you have this list of exclusionary factors where you have decided that various meals “should” have meat, and therefore a meat-free version has made a replacement, and is therefore inferior and you aren’t going to try it.

    You don’t need a recipe, you need a change of mindset.



  • There are vegetable versions of every “incorporated” meal where all the ingredients are mixed together, like pasta, soup, curry, stir-fry, etc… And for every other meal, the meat portion is easily replaceable with another portion of vegetables.

    Going vegetarian really is as simple as “don’t put meat in it”. Just take it off the ingredient list. Meals do not naturally contain meat, so if you don’t add any, they won’t have any. It’s not something to be “substituted” unless you are wanting to mimic a specific meal.




  • Well, sorta but also not really.

    Neither party seems to have any interest in reforming the voting system to something more representative. So in that way I guess you could say they are colluding, but more reasonably they simply share a common incentive.

    But it really is the system itself that makes third party candidates basically impossible. It incentivises people to vote strategically, not for the party they want but rather against the party they don’t want. That system is eventually sure to collapse into a two-party system.



  • So they didn’t rule if the “no hats” rule should go, they were asked if such a rule - if it exists - is applicable to religious hats or if the right to religious freedom protects such symbols. So they rule on half-theoretical questions that are often narrower than the case itself.

    And I find that very structure harmful. Because by formulating the question asked of the court in a specific way, then limiting the answers it can give to only that question, you can force these kinds of discriminatory judgements while pretending that that wasn’t the point.

    The court should be able to say, as part of the ruling, that while exemptions should not be given on religious grounds, justification for rules that are considered to infringe on religious freedoms may be asked for.

    We can easily give a reason why discrimination should not be allowed while serving the public, and similarly why antlers cannot be worn in a workshop.

    The “no hats” rule in this case wasn’t a “no hats” rule, but a “no religious symbols are allowed to be worn by anybody” rule. The court saw such a rule as justified because it did not discriminate against specific religions or symbols.

    Which is ridiculous because a hypothetical religion could use pants as a symbol of their faith and suddenly pants are banned.


  • If the rule by itself is dumb or not is another matter.

    No. It’s not another matter. It’s the entire matter. That’s my point.

    I know what I described is your second option. But I’m deliberately putting the focus on the original rule, because that is where the problem lies.

    The rule disproportionately affects people who wear headwear. The rule basically makes that job inaccessible to those whose religion requires headwear. The rule is discriminatory in its effect, even if not in its wording or intention. So the appropriate action is to rethink the rule. If there is no strong reason why the rule exists, and it has these discriminatory effects, then the rule should change.


  • Now there is a rule that employees aren’t allowed to wear head coverings at work (for whatever reason)

    And maybe that rule is the stupid one.

    So if one religion is allowed to claim special status for their head covering (Head scarf), can an orthodox jew wear their hat? Can someone believing in druidism wear antlers to work?

    Except it isn’t necessarily claiming a special status.

    The argument can simply be that the headwear ban should be removed, unless there is good reason for it. So yes, anyone can wear any headwear, so long as it doesn’t interfere with the task at hand or other people. The antlers would probably fall afoul of those requirements.

    And what is with people who happen to have no religion they believe in. Why are they granted less rights by the state than the religious people?

    They wouldn’t be. The removal of a ban doesn’t somehow mean that atheists have fewer rights. They’d be allowed to wear their desired headwear too.

    So: Which other possibilities does a state have to resolve this besides

    Still a false dichotomy here.

    To be clear here: the second option is not “ban religious symbols alltogether”, it’s “we have our rules, there is no way for you to get an exception with the reason ‘religion’”

    The option is not to allow “religion” to be used as an exception, but rather set rules that are permissive to everyone, including religious people, within the limits of the task at hand and inconvenience to other people.

    A headwear ban is pretty clearly discriminatory towards Muslim people, and probably also to certain Jewish people though I’m not 100% sure of that. The goal should not be to give them exceptions, but rather rethink the headwear rule.


  • If there isn’t a specific reason that something cannot be worn, such as a safety concern or an obstruction to others, then it should be allowed by default. A headscarf doesn’t affect anyone. Same way a kippah doesn’t affect anyone.

    That is completely non-comparable to denying someone service on the basis of religion. And the idea that the only two options are allow religious people to discriminate on the basis of their religion, or ban all clothing that indicates religion, is a false dichotomy.