While the soup attack caused damage in the historic frame if the picture, this protest did not cause any permanent damage. From the choice of glue to the choice of spraypaint, everything was well thought out. So no, I don’t think this is proof that the Soutwark conviction is totally unreasonable

I feared as much.

It is getting late over here, so thanks for the great discussion!

Amd I wish you good look in a few weeks. Feeling with you over there

I see your point. But that is such a toxic environment, and as you mentioned this can be observed from a far, that I would assume many prefer to stay under the radar to be able to at least something and not thrown under the bus by other Republicans.

Having more parties solves this part of the issue. And if the MAGA party or the Republicans end up with more votes is a completely different thing. And a thing I am scared to think about

Exactly. And there comes in the issue: if you want to vote conservative you have to take the far right bullshit. There is no in between. There is no “conservative without that nazi bullshit”. So, if they could separate bit still have some power in the sense of seats in the parliaments, would that impact the political landscape?

Anyway, the US is stuck with American voters. So I’m glad our election system enforces patience.

I take that ;)

But srsly, it is not voters or voting system. It is both.

Imagine there would be a MAGA party with equal chances like the Reps, how would that change the policies of those parties? And would this influence the voters behavior? That is not a rethoric question, it is a thought play. I, as an outsider, would assume that the extreme right wingers would unite under the MAGA flag and their policies would adapt accordingly while the Republicans would go back to their kind of normal.

Thanks. That was my rough assumption. And that worries me. While I am not a US citizen, the USA have such immense power that yout politics affect people around the world. From privacy and data protection to the simple fact if we leave in peace or in war.

I understand it is a big issue. And I hope you find a way to change that.

He got abortion rights overthrown, handled the pandemic so badly, that the rest of the world laughed at the US, and got himself and his family richer by talking money and presents from foreign powers.

Your argument boils down to: in the US political system it is hard to change anything and therefore we are protected from “worse”? Does this argument still stand with the supreme court ruling about presidential immunity and trumps statements about dictator on day one or “you never have to vote again”? Project 25?

So, in my country we are moving towards a livable feature for citizens, in your country you are stuck with a system that only benefits the wealthy. And every approach that could change that will be undermjnedby right wing lunatics and their donors.

In the US the fucking right wing has 50% in the polls. What are you talking about?

~50% of the people ate voting for a lying, narcissistic Nazi. One of your supreme courts justices took "presents " from someone who has a hitler singed version of “Mein Kampf” in his possession. Right besides ohter Nazi memorabilia.

And your concern is, that it would be easier for a right wing minority to gain power? You have a right wing majority.

We ate shoked over here in Germany that our far right has more then 20% in election results. Your far right has 50% and one of your presidential candidates represents them.

I can understand that

I am living in a multi party country. I am experiencing the hurdles and the benefits of it every single day. Coalitions have to be formed to get the majority, smaller parties getting influence because of it.

We are getting stuff like increased minimum wage, social benefits, legalizing cannabis, and more. And not because the senior partner in the coalition wants it. Because of the junior partners. They are required to form a majority, so they can state their terms also.

And yes, some countries with more then two parties in the parliament are failing. What about the US?

Got some universal Healthcare yet? A livable minimum wage for everyone including waiters?

Effective countermeasures to climate change?

No? See, also failing. And that lies in the nature of countries. Sometimes they fail.

I see the issue with a president. But most legislation comes out of the Senate. Having more then two parties represented there forces compromises. And the wishes of more people have to be considered the get the required majority.

And if the congress is more diverse, the president looses some powers, as he can not rely on having the majority at least for two years of his presidency. He also would have to compromise all the time.

Just admit it, your system is broken.

And that is an issue how? Are you trying to say that the USA will be stuck with a legal framework from the 1800? For all eternity?

EDIT I like that. Downvoting is fine, but maybe explain why? Srsly I am very invested in politics, doesn’t matter if European or US. So, if I am wrong on a factual basis, tell me.

That is just bullshit. While your president is powerful, a lot of the power of government resides within the parliament itself.

As long as US media calls candidates of other parties as “independents” your political system stais a fucked up mono party system.

To change the Satus quo, laws must put in place, like in other countries that force media to represent all parties.

In addition you have to stop with this excessive money dependent political campaigns.

Those are gatekeeping tactics designed to keep the power in the hands of the two major parties.

There is no reason why your system could not work with more competitors.

edit: also, using a voting mechanism that was good in times before telegraph, telephone and internet makes it nearly impossible for smaller parties to get anything out of an election.

There is no reason not to use the popular vote. None!

We are leasing our cars.

Regarding the feel: The car does feel surprisingly light. Besides his 2.2 metric tons.

At least here in Europe, the Tesla superchargers work with the car.

Not sure if this generation is already available in the US. I am german, so BMW is a natural choice ;).

Currently, BMW is using the same base for combustion and electric cars to safe costs ans be more flexible how to fit the chassis. That may be a reason for the success.

Nor sure how the price in the US is, the list price for my nearly fully equipped i5 is around 90k€. The only thing I am missing is the pneumatic dampeners. They come only with red or blue breaks, and company policy does not allow for “racing looks”.

I just got my BMW i5. The car is provided by my employer. But I would buy it myself. It is well thought out, has a usable dashboard l, head up und so much convenient stuff.

Also, the build quality is great. Compared to the garbage provided by tesla it is a different world

We are using relativ old Hardware, old thinkpads. They would not be able to run Windows 10 or 11 bare metal ;)

This does not help with Ruida Controllers and fiber Lasers. Both things I have at my company and we don’t have any Windows System.

That is such a shame. And since we need to talk over usb, wine will not work either 😞

And Americans are still wondering what motivation the nearly assassin had. Mhhhhm

You mean he would nuke a lot of the world. If he gets a second term, we are done for…

Yes I do talk about what is lega, because for some fucking reason, i have to explain why I was not surprised. I also talk about the fact that this does not mean that I agree with law ans prosecution.

I layed out where I draw the line: hypocrisy. If you are willing to risk life’s , be consequent in your actions.

Also, I tried to show how the general public, again not my views, sees the last generation because of what they do.

The assumption seems to be: if we just so such stunts, something will change. But we reached a point where the protest actions alienate politicians and the general public. And without support for the idea itself we are fucked. Or more, the generations after us are fucked