manuals were great when you could actually drive. but now there is a light posted up at every intersection. the stop and go of it all makes manual a real chore shifting up then back down…i used to prefer manual, yes. you and the car become one like a mecha suit so it has an allure. but now that automatics have more driving mode features its almost moot.
Oh you mean the prndl?
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Manual transmission is also a great anti-theft device, since most kids don’t know how to drive it.
And of course all shit electric cars are all automatic. It’s part of the NWO agenda. They want to force us all into electric, automatic cars, Over my dead body! A car that does not produce smelly fumes when driving is not a real car. What I am supposed to smell when walking in the city? Air? Fucking dumb. On top of that they make no sound! There’s nothing to tune up to make my car sound like a racing machine. How I’m supposed to let everyone know I have a small dick if I can’t rev my engine all the time? Not to mention electric cars don’t emit CO2 so I can’t lock myself in a garage with the engine running and kill myself when I realize that no one is impressed by my car and my dick is still tiny. Absurd!
I’ve literally seen people post that they’d consider going electric if only it had an engine sound. Seriously, people who are old enough to have a drivers license want their car to go wroom wroom.
I get it. It’s the same reason all cars have a steering wheel, despite it being the most dangerous part of the interior. Joysticks just don’t give the same feel as when the captain steers the boat over the seven seas.
Wroom wroom, steer steer, wroooom, change gear while turning, push pedal, wroom wroom.
I’ll just leave this here. In short: a guy wrote a physics engine to simulate any combustion engine, and then further got it working with an electric motor so electric motors can use a simulated vroom vroom
I mean the wheel is definitely the best control mechanism for driving… whether or not it’s dangerous, there’s a reason the best sim racers use wheels and not controllers and it’s that they provide vastly more control. So nice argument except it’s all based on a false claim that joysticks are better lmaoooo
I think it’s just a matter of getting used to it. Something like a playstation controller would be easy to learn for most people. People who play racing games seriously wouldn’t use a wheel and pedals. It’s just too slow.
Huh? People that use steering wheel and peddles for racing games have a serious advantage, it’s far more accurate, I have no idea what makes you think it’s too slow or what that’s even supposed to mean.
Most people use a controller for racing games because there’s no setup or space requirements and it’s what they’re used to. Plus a basic decent steering wheel setup is about three to four times the cost of a standard Xbox or PlayStation controller.
Huh. I guess times have changed. It used to be that keyboard players would always win.
Anyway it doesn’t change my opinion on the topic. Car steering wheels are stupid and only kept relevant because it’s fun to turn.
electric cars are all automatic
They aren’t, really. They don’t actually change gears, if you want to go backwards you spin the motor backwards.
Hilariously, jump starting EVs is a thing if the 12V battery dies. And no, you can’t roll start them.
tl;dr: my PHEV does change gears when in EV mode, as weird as it sounds
So, I drive a Hyundai Ioniq Plug-in Hybrid EV (PHEV). It’s a hybrid with a larger battery so you can plug it in and drive fully-EV on the battery for about 30 miles/50 kilometers or so. The freaky thing is that the EV motor is connected to the transmission, so it does switch gears sometimes and you can feel it when it does. Even freakier is that this also applies to regenerative braking: when you slow down from a high speed, you can sometimes feel it switching gears while you brake. That all isn’t too bad since it’s got a dual-clutch transmission and so it switches gears pretty quickly, but it can still be a bit freaky at times.
Additionally: there are some people who have converted antique cars to EVs, but to save money they didn’t touch the transmission and instead elected only to replace the engine. They still have manual transmissions in them, though I suppose you could probably just find a suitable gear to leave them on 100% of them time. Still, you can, in principle, switch gears on them.
Typically I’ve seen people keep their car in 2nd (or reverse IIRC? That way your controller doesn’t have to support reverse and you don’t have to put in a new switch on the dash) in electric swaps. Also you don’t use the clutch pedal to start, only to change gears, which is a bit freaky when you’re not used to it.
On the highway there might be value in switching to a higher gear though, torque/efficiency curves aren’t perfectly flat even on electric motors. I would be curious to know what gains would be had on a modern electric platform like an ID.3 if one was to put in a cheap two or three gears sequential/manual transmission (for all I know the efficiency gains would not offset the additional losses from the clutch and gearbox, and even if they are some gains I’m sure that they do not make up for the inconvenience/lack of comfort of a MT).
Most of not-North-America drive around in manual vehicles. Have to wonder what the allure is of something which is kind of mundane and boring. When I’m driving a manual I’m not thinking I’m Steve McQueen, instead I’m just constantly shifting gears between sets of traffic lights. If people really want to connect with a car, then buy an EV. Instant torque and responsiveness without screwing around with extra sticks and pedals or suffering the rubber banding in some automatics.
It depends on what sort of experience you want, what roads you drive, whether it’s mostly country or city, do track running etc.
I like manual more for various reasons. I don’t do much city driving nor do I get stock in heavy traffic ques. I drive country roads and highways and do a few track days. With a manual I get a much more satisfying experience, as it requires more skill to make fast and/or smooth shifts. The tactile feel of the manual gear shifter makes me feel more connected to my car. Flappy pads shifting automatic doesn’t require the same skill nor has the same tactile feel. It’s awesome for city and ques though.
I don’t think we have the same idea of what it means to be connected with the car. Most EVs aren’t seeking to have you drive them, they are seeking to drive you, imho (except maybe the Hyundai N range thats coming, but only because it tries to manic cars).
“Real men use rocks to fight.” says the man to another man with a gun.
Maybe I’m kidding myself but I feel like even if I won the lottery I still wouldn’t replace my -07 Nissan Pickup. I’d probably have the thing entirely rebuilt but it’s basically my dream car as it is so other than customizing it even more there’s nothing newer trucks have that I wish mine did too. The only downside to older vehicles is the increased need for maintenance though I’m much rather fixing a 15 year old truck today than 2023 truck in 2038.
04 Nissan Frontier over here. I specifically bought it because it has a manual transmission which is hard to find in the US. I drove all the way up to Seattle from Portland to get it. There are maintenance issues given its age, but I still love it. Apart from the bullshit bells and whistles, it’s still every bit as capable as any new pickup in its class. I’ve doctored it up a bit over the years, so it’s not fully stock anymore.
Yeah I ignored all the automatics aswell. Mine has a 6 speed manual, 4x4, low range and a rear diff lock.
They’re called Navara here in Europe. I’m not sure how different it’s from Frontier except that it has a 2.5 litre turbo diesel rather than petrol engine. I think it’s a damn nice looking truck despite its age and with modifications it can be made to look even better. Mine is all murdered out.
Nice! Mine is a 3.2 liter V6 6 speed manual but w/o the turbo. It has a shitload of torque in 1st and 2nd, but isn’t very fast or powerful once it’s in third, 4th or 5th gear, which is fine with me.
It also has an extended bed and a canopy with flip-up windows on the sides. I’ve installed a roof-rack and have lifted the truck 2 inches together with aftermarket shocks and a new set of leaf springs. I’ve also installed “bullhorns” on the front together with “brush racks” to protect my old headlights.
All in all she’s a pretty mean truck. I’ve taken her out with friends who are hardcore Jeep aficionados, and she’s more than acquitted herself.
I don’t drive a car that needs detonating dino-dhiarrea anymore. And BEVs only habe one gear. So there’s that.
You drive a car that indirectly needs dino-dhiarrea. Only moved the problem one step.
Nope. I pay a bit extra for electricity from renewables. You could argue that the stuff that comes out of the socket still is the energy-mix that is produced at the time, but my invoice says something along the lines of “x kWh of electricity generated from renewable sources” and x kWh of electricity from renewable sources will have been fed into the grid over the time frame covered by my invoice. Good enough for me.
I could argue which energy source has been used to produce those panels and the battery, extract the materials, etc.
Not really. Do you need energy to produce those things? Yes. But how much dino-energy can be saved during the livetime of those products? Way more!
Batteries that need to be disposed of and replaced…this is not a solution.
I switched from manual to auto after I moved to Reading and found myself constantly dancing the clutch fandango in all the stop start traffic.
When driving an auto I have to be real careful not to try and hit the ‘clutch’. Brake checked myself more than once doing that.
You don’t need high capacity assault style sporting features on a car. Manual transmissions are sporting features. Any car with two or more sporting features is a sports car and no civilian needs to own something like that for transportation.
