• tym@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    Which came first? The political party or the childhood lead poisoning?

    Let’s not focus too much on labels… the real issue is there’s like 80 million dumb motherfuckers out there who plan on voting. You can’t cure stupid and we’re in fuckin trouble!

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      Lead poisoning, it used to be popular for plates and cups cuz it made the food taste better (because the lead leached in and lead has a sweet taste), then later indoor plumbing (sometimes with lead pipes) became common like a decade prior to the founding of the Republican party in the 1850s. We didn’t get leaded gas until the 1920s

      Anyone considered getting rid of leaded avgas yet?

      Or testing food for lead more stringently?

      Like they had children suffering from lead toxicity recently from contaminated applesauce packages and it takes a fuckton of lead to cause toxicity.

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    Are all of these kids homeschooled? We just put our daughter in online school and even they want her immunization records. I don’t even get that, but fine, we’ll send them. She’s up to date on her vaccines.

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        10 months ago

        “No, Old yeller should have pulled himself up by his bootstraps. It was his choice to not get a rabies vaccination. I don’t want my tax dollars to go towards this. Say no to socialized commy medicine!”

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    It’s a combination of things and to just simply blame MAGA is doing a disservice. Before we had MAGA we had antivax on the rise. We did after all have Andrew Wakefield and Jenny McCarthy.

    But more importantly what fuels a lot of this is ignorance. Some willful, some that cannot be helped, and some just not an easy thing for one to wrap one’s head around. That ignorance fuels fear, uncertainty, and doubt something that’s sometimes referred to as FUD. And that can manifest into all kinds of things, chief among them is outrage which MAGA acolytes feed into for political gain. Because that’s how the MAGA crew keeps fuel in it’s tank, feeding into outrage.

    And for a moment, I’d ask everyone to take a look around. Look at the world we are in. Plenty to be outraged about, right? But while you might find specific things to be outraged about, the MAGA crowd keeps it unfocused. What’s woke? It’s whatever it needs to be for the time and place. Who is in the Soros Cabal? Whoever needs to be for the particular discussion at the moment.

    But it’s important to remember that the MAGA crowd feeds into something that can be traced even further back. There’s an ongoing dogma about vaccines that’s roughly the equal to the myth of the Inuit having 400 words for snow. Note, the Inuit DO NOT have 400 words for snow. But like anything, once something gets started, it becomes really hard to shake. The dogma of antivaxxers relies on three components:

    • An uncertainty about the makeup of a vaccine — Which may be heard as folks citing the Tuskegee experiments or the CIA experiments.
    • A lack of widespread evidence showing what a lack of vaccines looks like — At one point everyone knew what Polio looked like and now through the success of the vaccine, almost nobody has any real understanding of what Polio actually looks like or what it can do.
    • A lack of real risk analysis — Actual death from Childhood vaccines is almost unheard of at this point, compared to the 0.12 ‰
      who will die from measles. A lot of folks don’t even know what ‰ means. Additionally, a lot of people do not know the history behind the VAERS database, nor are aware that the funding allocation from Congress to arrest anyone who makes a false report is currently $0 and has been that rate since it’s inception.

    These things sow a level of distrust and when paired with the rapacious nature that is the American healthcare system, there is massive amounts of gasoline being poured by folks who are interested in profits, that contrarians, shysters, and grifters are more than happy to ignite to further their agenda. We didn’t just get here by ignorance, we got here by a bunch of folks who would use that ignorance for their own gains. Like Andrew Wakefield, so many antivaxers I know indicate his research while casually omitting that he had published that paper in order to enact an elaborate fraud. The idea was to get people to select his “safe” version of the MMR vaccines that would have made him a ton of profit. Nor do people speak about Brian Deer who did the investigative research and reporting that eventually undid, at least in a legal sense and brought about his removal as a licensed doctor, Andrew Wakefield’s report. No what most people remember is that Wakefield published a report and there’s been this sorting of those who bought into it and those who didn’t. And all of that was on the background of Autism, a disease that initially no one had any idea existed which feeds into that whole FUD.

    The MAGA crowd has made it political. Lots of people are wondering about that “medical record” and why tax payer money can only be unlocked by the public on condition that they take a shot. That latter part was predicated on the notion that everyone at one point knew that they did NOT want to catch any disease that the MMR shot protected against. And if you’ve ever talked to any “sovereign citizen” type, you can just take that mentality and extend it to say “roads”. Why predicate having a license on the ability to use a road one paid for? Why pay for it? Why think taxes are legal? It’s road for sure, but there’s lot of similarities along the way.

    There’s a level of contempt for our Government. I mean just look around, one wouldn’t be hard pressed to find a clear example. There’s been a lot of failure globally in Democratic order because quite a few are more interested in profit to be made than benefit to society. The thing with the antivaxxers is they’ve taken that contempt and made choices and commitments that are dangerous for themselves, their children, and their locality. They’ve allow that contempt to be woven into an identity and there are all kinds of agents out there that will validate that identity in exchange for profit or power. But we should remember that if we are going to simplify it, those are the true drivers.

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      10 months ago

      Absolutely. They are teying to destroy everything and anything progressive by calling it fake or woke, or snowflake, or any other fad trendy word they think their base will react to.

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        Someone told me they were like a Reverse Cargo Cult, didn’t make sense until they explained it.

        So if you don’t know, a Cargo Cult is a phenomenon in which uncontacted nations have planes crash there, or they notice planes.

        They’ll try to recreate planes, radios, etc., and when they don’t work, they pray to the Gods to try to make them work… Believing they just need the right blessings. This is an oversimplification, but it’s a very real phenomenon. Heck there’s a tribe somewhere that literally believes King Charles to be God because they had photos of him.

        MAGA people have the reverse situation. They know why the planes work, they can see them working, and yet strangely… They build their own anyway, using bad intentions and duct tape, and when it doesn’t work, they go… “See it’s impossible, why does theirs works? It doesn’t, it’s a hoax, they’re lying to you because they want to enslave you!”

        Only here it’s not a plane, it’s science in general and the concept of basic human empathy.

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    10 months ago

    Between this, forcing women to give birth against their will, and celebrating stealing children from migrant parents, making children suffer seems to be a core Republican value.

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      No but you see they have to make life shitty for people. Otherwise, what could they blame the Democrats for?

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      Blame Andrew Wakefield. He was the one who convinced Jenny McCarthy. She’s a useful idiot. And I do mean idiot. She wrote an article that’s been scrubbed from the internet about how her child was an ‘indigo,’ meaning he would have superhuman powers. This was before his autism diagnosis, which apparently changed her mind, because that’s when the article got scrubbed.

      It also contained a sentence that said (paraphrased): “After my son was born, I quit smoking.”

      She’s a fucking idiot.

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        I thought you were kidding, but nope. The smoking sentence isn’t mentioned in there, but everything else is. Wow.

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            Well, they’re just quoting parts of what she wrote, so it might have been elsewhere. I didn’t mean to imply that you were making that up.

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              No, you didn’t imply that. I’m just surprised they didn’t quote it and you’d think they would have.

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    10 months ago

    Well, if they are that determined to go extinct - let them. Although I feel sorry for the kids that get mistreated this way by their parents.

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      10 months ago

      Well no one can do anything against a genocide that is self directed.

      Like if everyone in Spain decided to commit suicide I wouldn’t think it to be ok, but it’s their choose and more space.for the Portuguese to expand to sooo. Well let them