That seems like a bit of government overreach. I thought didn’t like that.
Republicans: Let the free market decide.
Also Republicans:
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LOL, of course.
I’m reminded of ag-gag laws, Oprah running afoul of the beef complex, and people trying to force almond milk be labeled something else.
I guess cruelty really is the point.
anybody read it? On what grounds is FLA stifling innovation and entrepreneurship?
EDIT: I read it, doesn’t say why.
Lab meat = woke
No further understanding needed.
Fascism’
As a pescatarian, I would 100% be fine with eating non-fish meat if it was lab grown and not farmed.
This shit should be a revolution, not banned. Save animals and have cruelty free meat. Win-win
Long live the new flesh!
The article has the who, what, when, where, but not the ever important why.
Florida House Republican Ryler Sirois introduced…
Ah. There it is. I guess I’m to assume lab grown meat is somehow “woke” (or something of equal or greater bullshit)?
Actually it looks to be a regulatory grab.
The legislation mandates that any entity looking to sell lab-grown meat in the state must obtain future authorization from the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, allowing the department to adopt rules governing the use of lab-grown meat in the state.
Likely they want to pose a different tax on lab meat than other meat. Doing so usually is to provide a method to pander to farmer votes later on down the road. It’s like the reason things like corn subsidies seem to just never go away.
So this just looks like the person is creating a new card for the deck of cards to be played during elections. But I guess “woke” can be in there too if that plays well to his base.
Hey guys ready for an “old” Republican talking point?
“We don’t pick winners and losers!” “The liberals want to pick who does well and who fails!”
Yeah, just like 99.9% of what they say, it’s all bullshit meant to serve their immediate purposes (bashing the left) and then tossed away when it would impede their desired outcome.
Not just bullshit, but also complete projection on their part.
The “why” is certainly that someone in the state beef industry gave him a pile of money.
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This is an example of why I call myself conservative, but would never vote Republican.
Today’s republicans aren’t conservatives.
If you don’t mind me asking, what positions do you hold as a conservative that are different from modern Republicans?
- You shouldn’t ban particular speech or books
- Gay people should be able to marry
- You shouldn’t ban factory farmed meat
- You shouldn’t ban abortions
- You shouldn’t dump trillions of new dollars into the economy and forcibly shut down every business in America
- Saudi Arabia is a rights-violating shithole that we should not interact with even if it seems profitable in the near term
- An adult human should have the right to ingest any drug they want
Those are positions I consider conservative, and hold myself, that aren’t reflected in current Republican policy.
This is just classical liberalism
Traditional conservatism is really a flavour of classical liberalism.
Conservatism is essentially about keeping things the way they are or restoring things to the way they were believed to have been in the past.
So rights and liberties that people have enjoyed for a long time will be defended by conservatives; rights and liberties that are only newly gained will be opposed by conservatives. New technologies may well be seen with suspicion due to what they threaten to disrupt: the status quo in America is that there’s lots of cattle farming and if lab-grown meat makes the farming of real cattle unprofitable and leads to many cattle farmers losing their jobs, a conservatives focus will be on the job losses and instability, not on the opportunities to produce meat more efficiently, ecologically and without cruelty.
Those are positions I consider conservative, and hold myself, that aren’t reflected in current Republican policy.
None of those are specific to conservatism, and I would say some of the opposites of those position, like opposition to gay marriage and abortion, has historically always been part of conservatism.
More interestingly would be to learn what specific conservative policies you subscribe to. Policies which you don’t think exists in other ideologies.
like opposition to gay marriage and abortion, has historically always been part of conservatism
Speaking for the poster, probably incorrectly, but while I consider myself liberal, and have long been a support of gay rights and marriage, I always laughed when I was defending it (like early 2000) because I was always making the conservative argument that the government shouldn’t be regulating which two consenting adults can join a contract with each other.
Classically speaking, it’s a politically conservative position. It’s just that republicans, who pretend to be conservatives, also tend to be religious and let those beliefs often influence what they claim is the conservative position.
But the state staying out of who gets married is, no doubt, an actual politically conservative position.
I just realized I wrote “factory-farmed meat” rather than “lab-cultured meat”. I meant lab-cultured meat.
Factory farmed meat should maybe be banned, but if it happens it should be on the basis of adopting animals rights into the constitution then banning it on that basis. I don’t think one-off legislation is the right way to do such things.
If the meat is grown in a lab, no animals or their rights are disturbed. That’s the point. They’re not growing brains. They’re not going to gain sentience. It’s just flesh.
All of these are classically liberal positions, and most of them are compatible with progressivism, and with socialism. Admittedly, since liberalism is the foundation of the USA, and the global norm today, classical liberalism is technically a conservative perspective, now, but it really isn’t what most people have meant by “conservative” for the last hundred years or so.
For me political conservatives recognise the value of many of our establishments and don’t want to see radical, untested, change risk what we have.
Progressives want to see us improve our systems, institutions, and cultural norms. Laudable goals, however the goals and implementation approaches can produce results that diminish, rather than enhance, what we already have.
Socially conservative values, to me, are another kettle of fish. I know socially progressive conservatives and socially regressive progressives.
Libertarianism is also a separate, cross over, category for me. How power is shared between individuals and government is a critical foundation for how we function and can once again be adopted by politically conservative or progressive ideas.
Disclaimers:
Not American, Libertarian leaning Socially progressive Somewhere between a political conservative and a political progressive
Idk, restricting access to anything is “conservative” in practice and at the heart. Conserving is the main action a ‘conservative’ must practice. Don’t eat too much food. Don’t drink too much alcohol (if any). Don’t have too much sex. i.e. conserve your wants and needs so as to… well, at this point they impart religious contexts to justify why it will be worth it to deny yourself in the end.
If I were a conservative though, the part that would piss me off is when I find out my so-called “leaders” are engaging in the same loose activities I’ve been lead to feel guilty for having thought of and brother, that’s A LOT of conservatives. In just politics it’s almost always republicans, and in the church, it’s almost always the pastors/leadership. You conservatives have a lot of reconciliation to do if you ever expect to win an election fairly.
Conserving doesn’t mean reducing, it means protecting what already exists. Restricting access to birth control, for example, I would not call politically conservative.
Republicans have, at different points in time, been fairly forward leaning in their own way. Have a google of progressive policies implemented by republicans.
Social conservatism is more akin to what you are describing rather than the conservative political movement (and has a large section of the republicans in its sway at the moment). The thing they are trying to protect is their own personal moral view of the world and in so doing they are willing to not conserve the current political system to achieve this goal.
It’s conservative in terms of government power.
Like putting a conservative amount of jelly on your toast means a small amount. Putting a liberal amount of jelly on your toast means a large amount.
The terms conservative and liberal refer to how much government jelly you’re putting on the toast of society.
Someone who seeks to conserve things is a conservationist.
No, this is quite wrong.
Conservatives wish to maintain the status quo and pull back changes made to the status quo.
Liberalism is an ideology of free-market Capitalism and personal liberty.
Neither directly cares about the size of government as long as it stays within those boundaries.
i had to scroll pretty far to find someone who actually knew what conservative meant. And only to find you’re downvoted!
lol i hope people don’t vote like this irl or democracy is doomed
Isn’t it easier just to tell people that you’re a dummy?
More for me.
Not how it works under capitalism. In a free market bigger demand results in bigger supply.
In a free market bigger demand results in bigger supply.
No, not necessarily. Supply can be inelastic, in which case, an increased demand would mean an increase in equilibrium price.
Like econ 100 level stuff.
But that’s all bullshit anyway, because “free markets” aren’t a real thing. Supply/demand curves can be helpful to get maybe a general idea of how things work on a massive scale, and in ideal circumstances (that don’t exist). But the world is far too complicated to reduce it to that. And your econ Prof will tell you the same.
‘Free market’ ‘Florida is banning…’ 🤔
Florida vs. the world. I’m good with those odds.
Again, not how it works. Florida’s demand increases supply elsewhere.
Again, the population of Florida is 0.276% of the world.
No one outside of Florida needs Florida or anyone in it.
As a vegan I wouldn’t be surprised if the “fake meat” industry supports articles like this (fuck you, I don’t believe in your affordable fake meat)
Unsure what being vegan has to do with this?
Oh don’t worry about that - as a vegan, they just need to let you know they’re vegan.
You don’t believe in it?
I believe in full self driving cars more than in “affordable humane meat”
“Believe” is maybe not the best word, but there is reason to be skeptical of the claims. The bioreactors aren’t proven at the kind of scale required, and it would take multiple Nobel prize level breakthroughs to make it work.
Will people please stop citing Jake Tran videos?
Most of it isn’t even slaughter free because the cells are fed with bovine fetal tissue literally extracted from slaughtering pregnant cows:
It’s just beef with extra steps and a marketing scheme to trick people.
surprised to see how everyone is up in arms for this and not for other sh@t going on?
So folks seem to be screaming “make me a lab rat”, then bemoan the treatment from government that takes them for idiots. Folks, time to grow up and deal with real issues. Artificial meat is neither a problem nor a solution to a problem. It’s an income line on someone’s spreadsheet. In Victorian era arsenic was very much en vougue, lead and radioactive pills were viewed as health boosters at some point. So there’s that. Someone’s getting rich and it ain’t one of us. Somebody is being experimented on and it’s most of us.
What stim(s) you on?
