This is not his dream. It is the dream of conservatives at large. He is simply an accurate representative of conservative thoughts and desires.
And he’s a reasonably good populist strong man that can bring those dreams to reality.
He’s good at posing as one. His term in office showed that he’s thankfully completely incompetent at following through on most of his initiatives
They won’t make that mistake a second time: they plan on having 20,000 people ready to fill his administration on day 1.
Yeah but that’s like 20000 republicans. Intelligence isn’t additive. Even if it was, what does that come out to, like 5 or 6 undergrads?
Although many among the news media, pundit class and other professional politics-watchers avoid saying this, Trump’s dark charisma can be highly compelling. I’m convinced they feel its allure as well, even if they publicly deny it.
chilling to read something like that in Salon
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I disagree. I don’t like listening to him, but I can understand why the people that are attracted to right wing grievance politics are entranced by his style.
Like any cult leader, it’s the rhythm of the words. If you’re somebody like me (and presumably you) then you get caught up on the abhorrent things he’s saying. If you generally agree with his premises and nod along, I think it’s easy to almost get hypnotized.
Yeah just typical fascist behavior from someone who we know sucks. Wish we could somehow mix an educated person with the incredible stupid that appeals to regressive voters. I were one of them voters in the past and my god every person here underestimates how ridiculously stupid they are. Like imagine punching yourself in the face, realizing how much it hurt, then doing it a few dozen more times. That’s what Republican voters do every year. I used to enjoy that punch and their voters still do. Tell them they are stupid publicly then they might change and it’s why education fixed me (professors DGAF).
Of course they feel the allure… of those unstoppable ratings. Do you know how many people were glued to the news when Trump was president? By the gods, the getting was good.
Contemporaries said the exact same thing about Hitler. Others mocked him for his shrill voice, exaggerated gestures and simplistic speeches.
Hitler had a very warm, deep voice. It’s just that stadion sound systems weren’t as good back then. There’s a recording by Finnish intelligence where you can hear his actual voice link.
Hitler did practice his speeches in great detail, making photographic studies of his poses.
I’m not here to aggrandize Hitler, but Trump is lacking in charisma and work ethic in comparison, and somehow people still think it’s his charisma over mass delusion.
It’s actually insane and so is anyone voting for him.
I’ve seen people say many times Trump has charisma. I don’t understand it. He doesn’t even make sense when he speaks. Maybe he is familiar. But not charismatic
He talks exactly how they do on Facebook. He’s a mirror to them.
Yes he does. But ignorance and racism is probably the only thing he has in common with them.
Yeah “dark charisma” is often found in people with NPD. Some are immune to it whether entirely or from one specific individual, but it’s a thing. And there’s no moral judgement to immunity to it, most of us who are developed it through prolonged exposure. It’s just that those tempted by it need to put in serious effort to criticize it and not fall to it.
I don’t remember people opposing him publicly remarking that his public opposition secretly found him compelling and charismatic, though they would never publicly admit it.
As a blond haired, blue eyed, white German ancestry raised protestant male. I can confidently say: fuck these empathyless inhuman jackasses.
I dream of Trump permanently becoming the pig from the first season/episode of Black Mirror.
I want him to be the center link in a human centipede of pigs
A porcine centipede, if you will.
Please tell me people don’t fall for this inhales copium Please tell me people don’t fall for this
It isn’t great for the sanity, but watching hard-right news for a few minutes will show you just how much people do fall for this. They’ve started to openly (but gently) suggest that democracy was a mistake, and their audience eats it up.
If Trump somehow wins, they’re actively planning for that to be our last election. Ever.
I mentioned it in another comment but Republican voters are so stupid it’s surprising they remember to breath. I was one and my last R vote was for McCain which was still massively wrong. I’d vote Obama if I could go back.
They don’t know what they are voting for at all. It’s equivalent to how we drive cars every day and almost no one understands how critical the bearing tolerance on the crankshaft is depending on power/maintenance goals. They literally don’t know anything about politics and just vote the way they are told.
Education fixes this problem. Not because they become more worldly, it’s because educated people just call people stupid publicly. Calling out stupid people makes them shut up and second guess themselves. It’s what fixed me. Some will double down but most won’t. Right wing media relies on pacifism in its opposition.
And they won’t stop when trump dies. If he doesn’t win and he dies they’ll find another figurehead. This is their long term goal, it is not a momentary fixation.
People absolutely fall for Fascists. It’s our job to be very loud and to point out what they are doing.
Plenty of people woke up during 2016-2020. Otherwise we wouldn’t have gotten Biden by a landslide and Dems wouldn’t have won so many other elections. You’ve got Roe v Wade as well which has fired up a lot of people. And despite what the shills would have you believe on social media, nobody is seriously going to allow Trump another shot because of the genocide going on in Gaza because they know that Trump would be far worse on top of the whole Fourth Reich thing.
I disagree. I wouldn’t call Biden’s last win a landslide. The genocide definitely will make a significant number of people apathetic and stay home (according to polls, Biden lost 11% favorability over this). Not many people are going to be excited about encouraging other people to vote for Biden either. The Muslim vote is important in the key state of Michigan; and Biden’s a very hard sell to Muslims right now. Though, it’s still very early to make predictions right now. There’s a non-zero chance one of the presidential candidates will die before the election, lol.
When he arrived in Miami for his arraignment he thought there would be throngs of people there to support him. Nobody, other than literally clowns and street vendors showed up. Nobody showed up. After he goes to jail everyone will forget him quickly, like a bad dream. These delusions of grandeur, getting his revenge, payback. It’s ridiculous dreaming.
He barely won the EC the first time around. This time everyone knows what he’s about
I’m not saying don’t vote, definitely vote. But don’t worry about this d-list celebrity and the cult following him. Trump is an abscess on Americas taint.
Nobody showed up because there wasn’t a remotely organized attempt to get people to travel across the country to show up. January 6th was planned (or at least in the rough outline stages in November 2020 when Facebook removed the Stop The Steal group.
The Miami case was solidified on June 9th with formal charges and the arraignment followed 4 days later.
I won’t disagree that if he goes to jail he’ll further fall from the spotlight, but that’s an awful big if given timelines and our justice system.
What a turbulent ex-president.
Turdulent*
That’s turbulent ex-president presidential candidate, thank you very much.
Fourth Reich? Dude can’t even think past his next Big Mac much less any future legacy. He just wants to burn it all down, die, and let his kids fight over the destruction he left behind while his obit says what a great man he was.
He has lost it so much.
Guess it’s time to get serious about Canada again
Far as I can tell, He doesn’t believe in anything.
We’re fucked.
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I can’t get over how stupid this headline is.
In nazi parlance, the first Reich was the Holy Roman Empire, the second Reich was the unified German empire that ended with WWI. The third Reich was the German state and government created by Adolf Hitler. The Weimar Republic, at least according to Nazis, was not strong enough to count as a reich.
The point I’m getting to is that real Nazis are so German nationalist, they wouldn’t be caught dead using the word “Reich” for anything that’s not German.
That’s how fascists are. They’re incredibly nationalistic.
Meanwhile, the United States has enjoyed the same constitutional government since 1789. You can’t call a hypothetical successor state the fourth anything. In my thinking, it should be the second whatever. You could maybe stretch it to “third” by counting the Articles of Confederation government as the first. But if Weimar doesn’t count I don’t see why the Articles government should count.
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If anything should be called the Fourth Reich, it’s the current government of Germany (from 1945). Germany enjoys massive political power both on its own and through the European Union. It has unified the ethnic Germans of Poland, Austria, and Czechia by means of Schengen. Modern Germany is even sending tanks back east to Ukraine.
Trump is dumb
I agree.
then you understand that although calling it a 4th reich would be colossally dumb in a multitude of ways, he’d power through all that and do it anyway, right
Your analysis is 100% correct, but utterly irrelevant to the point.
Every reader understood the meaning, and the loser named Trump doesn’t care either.
On a side note, there’s a rabbithole of who claimed what country is the third iteration of the Roman Empire. I only knew about Germany and Russia with it’s state-level motto ‘Moscow is the third Rome’, but many other countries (or their ideologists of varying mental health problems) said something akin to that too. It’s funny how regressive politicians masturbate to the past and it’s symbolism, but I doubt anyone of them would name their flagman ship Titanic, although it’s not too far from claiming a dead state’s name imho.
