1 Timothy 2:11-12: “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.”
For those that don’t know, even though that passage sounds very Old Testamenty, it is in fact the supposedly more enlightened New Testament, and it was written by Paul, THE major New Testament authority (after Jesus, of course). And that section in its full context gets even worse:
"Therefore I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or disputing. I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God.
A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety."
Most modern biblical scholars believe 1st (and 2nd) Timothy to be later writings not actually written by Paul. Which doesn’t change the point really I just think it’s interesting.
Paul seems to have had some spats with the apostles who were around for Jesus. The “super-apostles” of 2 Corinthians 11:5 (NIV: “do not think I am in the least inferior to those ‘super-apostles.’”) may be referring to those earlier apostles. Galatians 2:11–14 also mentions an incident where Paul openly tells Peter he’s a hypocrite.
Much like the meeting on resolving circumcision in the early church, it’s glossed over quickly and made to sound like everyone came to an agreement after hashing it out for a bit.
The Bible was famously translated to English during the Reformation.
Previously (mix of Aramaic and Greek here, you can pick one for either, plus I haven’t included their epithets. Like how nowadays we’re known as Firstname Lastname, at the time you’d have a family name and if you were famous, an epithet like Timos of Athens)
1 Timothy 2:11-12: “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.”
“Silence woman! Your god commands it!”
I mean - it’s so perfect and horrible, it seems to be the only proper response.
“…For all who draw the sword will die by the sword.”
But I’m not a very talented artist, it’s all I know how to draw. :(
Rules are rules.
It’s better to die by the sword than to live with a boot on your neck.
So you’re arguing in favor of this lady then, or…?
They just got distracted.
Just get a pen and you don’t need to worry about swords anymore.
“Your holy book says for you to sit down and shut the fuck up while the men are speaking.”
Except these are the same people trying to legislate further misogyny
For those that don’t know, even though that passage sounds very Old Testamenty, it is in fact the supposedly more enlightened New Testament, and it was written by Paul, THE major New Testament authority (after Jesus, of course). And that section in its full context gets even worse:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Timothy 2&version=NIV
"Therefore I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or disputing. I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God.
A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety."
This is Handmaid’s Tale stuff.
Most modern biblical scholars believe 1st (and 2nd) Timothy to be later writings not actually written by Paul. Which doesn’t change the point really I just think it’s interesting.
Also, Paul never even met the character known as Jesus. Something I find very interesting given how much prominence he’s given in “the” bible.
Paul seems to have had some spats with the apostles who were around for Jesus. The “super-apostles” of 2 Corinthians 11:5 (NIV: “do not think I am in the least inferior to those ‘super-apostles.’”) may be referring to those earlier apostles. Galatians 2:11–14 also mentions an incident where Paul openly tells Peter he’s a hypocrite.
Much like the meeting on resolving circumcision in the early church, it’s glossed over quickly and made to sound like everyone came to an agreement after hashing it out for a bit.
On one hand, yeah
On the other hand, this could potentially just attract another type of asshole you don’t want to be associated with who agrees with you.
Theyre being ironic. Theyre using a bible passage to illustrate that using bible passages as proof of anything is retarded.
I understand they’re being ironic, i’m pointing out that they could attract the unironic
If you know there’s people who will use Genesis 8 against climate change, you know there’s people who will take other passages seriously.
Who tf is Timothy?
Timótheos was the first bishop of Ephesus, which is now Selçuk, Turkey.
The Bible passage is allegedly a letter from St Paul to St Timótheos, although most scholars think it was written after Paul’s death.
Oh right, Timótheos. Calling him Timothy makes him sound very modern.
The Bible was famously translated to English during the Reformation.
Previously (mix of Aramaic and Greek here, you can pick one for either, plus I haven’t included their epithets. Like how nowadays we’re known as Firstname Lastname, at the time you’d have a family name and if you were famous, an epithet like Timos of Athens)
Fascinsting. What’s your background as to this stuff?